Warriors 4-1 Start: Kuminga's Rise & The WNBA CBA Deadline | Golden State Hoop

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, we are back with the Death Lineup, the podcast that covers both the Golden State Warriors and the Golden State Valkyries all in the same show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: our warriors segment is called the death line up and our valkyrie segment is called pothala now with the valkyrie stuff because we're in this weird space with CBA and negotiations like did you ever think that you would know so much about the CBA and the player side, the union side and the ownership side and it seems like I have a pretty good actually handle on what's going on right now just because of the stuff

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess not, but, you know, you've been following sports for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many times have you seen this in your lifetime where you felt like you were really in it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, of course, I remember the NBA one and like, what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 2000 and the live-in, or what, when was it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whenever they started the season on Christmas, they had that lockout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's always going to be

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[SPEAKER_01]: about money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And baseball is going to have this in not at the end of this year, but at the end of next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Owners always want some sort of cap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They want to control salaries and really what it's about is they want to be able to control each other because owners cannot control themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what the baseball one really is about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's also because they have just some smaller markets that they

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[SPEAKER_01]: But here it's so different, and we won't start with this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of wanted to hint a little bit about what we're going to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll cover this in our podcast segment, but what I want to talk about in that segment isn't necessarily who's right or who's wrong, but really about the moment, because this is what they've been waiting for, and when push comes to shove both sides again, no matter what.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's really about the players being able to flex their leverage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe for the first time ever knowing that they won't be able to do this again for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I get a guarantee you the fear for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And giving in right now is in five years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The sport is is going crazy and they are not earning nearly what they should be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guarantee you that's their fear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll talk about that in a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are going to kick off with some Golden State warriors first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's hit the death line up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in our preview episode, the one before our last death line up episode,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like having really high expectations for this team, just because I think we both really like the roster, but also at the same time knowing that you have to really have a lot of luck with the injuries not that the injuries are not going to happen because they are going to happen at some point, but the luck being that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they kind of have to happen in times where the depth can fill in those gaps and like Steph and Jimmy just can't get injured at the same time for a long period of time because we know what will happen same with you know Dremon Dremon and Jimmy or Dremon and Steph like some of that stuff that will happen where they both you know two out of those three will have to miss a game here and there but it can't happen for like an elongated period of time

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with this, obviously the hot start for and one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there anything that surprised you so far in the first five games in how well they're playing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think probably the most surprising thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a list of things, but obviously how good Steph has looked out the gate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, any any looked at in preseason like I think I said that after the first preseason game where he just kind of looks already in midseason form just the way he could shoot at the way he can move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think also.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think the obvious one is coming right like just him being a staple in the starting line up like I thought that maybe there would be some like, okay, we want him to be the in the starting line up for the first game, but you know, maybe eventually he'll transition his way out once Moses comes back Moses is back and I think JK is a starter and he's played that way to earn it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's been a surprising thing as well that he's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: gotten that position he's going to keep that position and he's playing well to to keep that position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But other than that, I think everything's kind of gone as we would expect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that this team is going to play well out the gates that everyone's for basically healthy and I think we'll have to see when guys are missing games like that Portland game where El Horford misses and then

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[SPEAKER_00]: How does the team look and and you know, and then that kind of happened again last night against Los Angeles, but instead, Horford misses the first to the back to back, he misses Memphis instead of Los Angeles, and they walked the clippers, which I thought was a really

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[SPEAKER_00]: really good game and I know the clippers are still figuring things out as well, but they've kind of had our number for the past year and a half, two years or whatever it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I there's I don't think we've beat them since like the 11, 30, 23 game, like I don't actually don't know entirely if that's true, but I remember in a row until yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that means the 11

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[SPEAKER_00]: 30 23 game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember that when it was though there are three numbers, it was Clay's number, Steph's number and Dreyman's number and they called it the 11 30 23 day because it was on November 30 23 they played the Clippers and they beat them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got to imagine that's the last time they won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, I don't know, I think that I think that's an important game and I think it was really interesting to feel to see like it feels like they kind of have their zubash stopper, you know, like Quentin posts was actually, I thought Quentin post played really well on him and I thought when I'll ho offered played zubash it was kind of barbecue chicken for zubash so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of things, I think we'll just have to see, you know, it's just, you don't want to say it, but it's just giving, it's the 2022 vibes, 2021, 2021, 2022 vibe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so clearly like a mirror, like you could see the parallels, like, like a memorable moments already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could think of the amount of memorable moments on my, on like two hands in the past couple years, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: already this year we have you know the the Denver game you could pick a moment from there the Steph closed in the fourth quarter of the game I think probably mostly be Steph moments because that some of that stuff in the late game in the overtime was it isn't sane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then even last night, pods chase down block on Chris Paul on one end and then on the other end reverse lay like that was an insane like I jumped out of my seat and the night before

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[SPEAKER_00]: was that motion that he was, was he writing a horse?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what was he doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was just an out-of-body experience for him, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the following possession, like Dramon gets everyone all hyped up, so GP2 dives on the floor for a loose ball to a fast break lay or a dunk or whatever it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's already so many moments to start the season whereas in the CP3 year, I could think of

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[SPEAKER_00]: They beat the Celtics because CP3 got like a offensive rebound or just pass it to Steph and Steph shot a moonball 3 and a win and then they beat the Celtics That's the only one I get think of really from that year and then from last year Before Jimmy got there, it's just them beating the Mavericks and Steph looking in the looking at the camera I'm being like you didn't want to stay like you could take a lay right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: like there's there's just not that many of those vibes moments that you could already just kind of see this year I could already count three or four of them and I expect them to continue and that was the same with 2022 so I think we just have to see once these guys go out once you know step in 2022 goes out for a long extended period of time jp kind of takes that leap takes over and is able to hold them and

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know put some memorable games against Jimmy Butler's Miami Heat that they won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember down the stretch there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is just if those if something like that happens which I think is just expected in the long season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Pajemski, JK and Moody take that J.P. like leap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that he took in in 2022 to help them keep in hold their regular season record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what they've shown so far has been pretty intriguing that you know, especially that Memphis game where booty can't miss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pajemski finally finds it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then JK is just doing what he's been doing all year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's come back to JK because I think his play right now deserves its own

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Pajimski, I don't know what it is about the start of the season because I feel like last season he started poorly as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And these first couple of games, he's like forcing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's in the starting lineup and he's like all fired up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He made the comments about wanting to be the guy after step for tires.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he just comes out and he just, it was, it was not great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Steve has sent said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that depending on the matchup, he wants to start either Pajimski or Quentin Post.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And last night was Quentin Post.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that Steve Kerr said that he really liked the way Quentin Post played, but I was like, I know Zubatch is an amazing rebounder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But do you have to get boxed out on every single opportunity?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did he did pick up some rebounds, but all the ones where I was like, okay, now let's see him battle suit and nope, zoo, zoo had position, zoos, I hold them off like with a one arm, like zoo looks like has like 50 pounds on Quentin post.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he probably does and I just was like man, zoo would be like the perfect dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Quentin played awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know he did awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: Zoo does not want to come out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't want to come out and guard him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Quentin post is going to have wide open three pointers which he had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he made four of them and a lot of times, you know, what does a fit say about offensive rebounds offensive rebounds seems seems like they always go to the earth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, air balls seem like they always go to the offense and they weren't there weren't air balls, but lots of offense balls just bouncing around zoo bunches going for the rebound.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that stuff works and you're trading off offense there and you know that Quentin posts is going to get beat up in the post, but you don't expect him to defend that, like, you know, every warrior's player is going to get beat up by Zuboch and in that position, a dream on will probably get the best position and then, but then he may get some fouls at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought it was great strategy, but still at the same time,

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[SPEAKER_01]: where he looks the part and he acts the part and I would say 50 50 it comes through where he's actually playing the part and I do wonder what he needs to do or what positions or which lineups are going to be best for him because he's got a lot of confidence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He takes some wild shots that nobody on the team does like he's thrown in some like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: fade away mid-range shots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's thrown up these crazy floaters that don't always go in, you know, he, I think he stopped that hook shot that that we always would make fun of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen it this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I wonder what I wonder what it's going to take for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think I would say the last two games he's played pretty darn good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those first three games were a little bit iffy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to see him play a little bit better in Portland,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they were going to go after the Denver game knowing that the Portland game was just going to be there and you just let the young kids play see I wanted to that's the game where I wanted to put Jim ski to say I'm better than all these guys and I'm going to show it and it didn't really happen so I'm just trying to I'm trying to be very open minded with pods.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's going to be an additive player this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been an additive player so far in his first two years as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you want to see him take that slight step.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't need to take this giant step.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just want to have more confidence in the team's ability to score when he's a little bit more of the focal point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like this often just stalls out when he's expected to kind of run things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think yeah, you want that Willie show up 50, 50 thing to kind of transition more to a 75, 25.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is his third year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, he was an older rookie, maybe 20 to 21 when he first came in the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think there's, you know, a reason why the Warriors have liked them because he kind of figured it out right away and passes to the ball and does some silly stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, I think that I think that this is a year where

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, you could put all those things together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have confidence that he will be an additive player for more often than not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and if he isn't, I don't think Steve, like they have depth, they can, he can kick, get kicked to the curve a little bit and here comes Melton, if Melton looks good coming back, like they have the depth where,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If the night's that he is, you hope that this doesn't happen, but he can be the person that joins TJD and Gisanto says the odd man out because they have the depth and not to mention, you know, it's even Seth Curry is still looming, even though it feels like they don't need him at all right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's still a looming ad in November.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's really there for the reasons that we said that we just expect guys to be injured and you just have these depth pieces that are ready to go when that happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like Seth is like just okay to be in that role, even if it doesn't account too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm sure his worst nightmare would be him having to play because his brother gets hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I guess not what he wants to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to see, you know, he wants to see them healthy and just chipping in here for here

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you mentioned Moses, Moses missed the first couple games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had a really good game against Memphis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he struggled in some cases yesterday, forcing some stuff up up up up up up up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, I think, supposedly, I think it was good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's going to be solid defensively.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can see who they have him guard, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are very comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with him guarding really good wings and and ball handlers to there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they like those slower past ball handlers, so not like the really quick ones, but like the heart and the lowly you guys, like the loucus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's not got he's not guarding jaw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They actually have no good guard jaw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and but he will guard yeah he will guard like the high usage guys who are really point guard to or more on on the wing side but they trust him because they know that he's not going to screw it up he may not get every stop he may not be the guy who's just the shut down guy but he's not going to make a mistake in those probably not going to

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're seeing so many of those, by the way, it's kind of getting ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Quentin got one to start and then they were challenged and flipped over turned in, and then a couple of positions later, GP gets it to end the quarter or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Other than the Quentin one was ridiculous, thank God they called that jump forward thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, so Moses pods.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think Moses will have to see he's only played the two games, but you know, you kind of know what you're going to get with Moses and we saw it last year when he's got to start playing power forward in some lineups speak and they just trust him in those moments we talked last we are last time about

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[SPEAKER_01]: Will Richard and his opportunity to just get minutes because Milton is not playing right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's able to to get in there once Milton is in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They then then will is probably just traveling going to be focused on on Santa Cruz.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now let's talk about coming up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Coming up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think yesterday was the was the first game where he just offensively he just didn't have everything going for him even in the game against Portland at that he was kind of like the one guy that you were like Okay, like just let just like JK do JK stuff and dunked on a hoodie dunk on Who's their big center for what team for Portland?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Klingan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just dunked right on his head, and so he has been doing in so far in five games, everything that they had asked him to be doing for the last three years, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like this holdout or not the holdout, but this restricted free agency thing, kind of helped crystallize everything that they've ever asked him to do knowing

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[SPEAKER_01]: why they drafted him, knowing his athleticism, knowing what his ceiling could be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, it's almost like, year four, I'm going to do all of these things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you watch him play and you're like, oh, he fits perfectly on this team actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas the coming of from last year was like maybe the square peg and the round hole on the entire team, like the only guy who didn't really fit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so now, he's like, this team is Taylor made for his style of play playing this way of JK basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what, like, can you explain it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it just, he realized?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it, it's got to be him, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the, everyone else is the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's got to be him coming to some sort of conclusions about this is how he asked play basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's Jimmy and his ear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the way the winning's working right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you it's a lot less of him, you know, ISOing to like mid range like it's a lot less of that and it and it's been more of just like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: basically doing the winning things that you know Aaron Gordon did for the nuggets and and you know wigs did for us at times, although wigs kind of had a little bit of that mid range, but JK has just been using his athleticism to basically at just like at the right moments for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think it's like this is Taylor made for his game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think his game is a little bit adjusted and

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's basically handcuffed to Steph's lineups, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I feel like every time I see him, you know, excelling, I'm like, oh, Steph's in the game, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're doing like Steph, J.K. and Buddy, as like the unit after the Dramon Jimmy Pods won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, I, I don't know, it was, it was a wild summer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you probably go watch that Minnesota game back and it's probably completely different levels of and of course what they needed from him was to score the basketball but just watching that's what he wanted to do and what we thought he wanted to do in the summer we thought he wouldn't be okay with this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: basically what he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not that he's taking a complete backseat roll like he's still getting numbers, but it's not like the, you know, we thought he wanted to do like a lot of that ISO mid-range stuff and it may be he never said that out of verbito.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he ever said that, but it just seemed like he wanted that opportunity because that opportunity is the ones that kind of make the big money and you get you, you're the all-star and like coming up will probably never be an all-star if this is kind of what his role looks like, but they win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I don't know, I feel like we're kind of still in the, like, is he going to be okay with this, I think so just because they're winning, but I'm telling you go watch that Minnesota game and you go watch what they do against the clippers and Memphis, like I think it's just a completely different, you know, way he touches and touches the ball and and what he does with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I wonder, like you said, I, I wonder the same thing, which is, is this sustainable,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like he's being very intentional in rebounding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder, well, one, it's very clear that he believes that that is part of his role in these line-ups is they need to get rebounds, so he's like, I can get these rebounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's scrying for these rebounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I also wonder if it's an opportunity for him to rip and run and just go, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets the rebound.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's so athletic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the faster players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can get down the court faster than anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's not doing it every time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll see him when if he doesn't see an opportunity, he is trying to get it to a ballhand or so then he can get down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it is, it is exciting to see him go after the boards because

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's an entertaining rebounder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess you could say because he's Trump's the highest of anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like ripping these things down like out of the air.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's energizing him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's getting like he's getting them all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he's busting it down court.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And because he is doing rebounding, which is a selfless kind of job, it's like the vets are like, Hey, man, we need to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like we need to show him that he's doing this and it's best for the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're gonna repay him for doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's almost like he sees rebounding as a way to earn the respect so that he gets his, his other looking for him after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think a lot of this is just related to his rebounding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rebounding is the thing that stands out to me because I don't know if we've ever seen this from him before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we said it on this podcast,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you asked who after that legacy and I think that was the last time we recorded was after the and the first one and and you said guess who love the team and rebound then it was jk and i was like so shocked that that wasn't more of like a headline on more of like the you know the reporting stuff from the warriors but it's it's been impressive and it's a clear focal point and i i don't know if you heard plus minus at all today i listen to it on my profile like half of it

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you hear the part where TK was like I had a conversation with JK and it's coming out in my column tomorrow and I kind of brought up like basically what we're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like how do you feel about this role of being more focused on the rebounds and being more focused on like the additive things that, you know, that go towards winning instead of maybe more of the ISO stuff and he said that it was like a weird response that he got, but something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm very interested in what comes out in that column tomorrow to see where his mind sets at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, yeah, I mean, I think we're all kind of noticing the same thing here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he looks awesome, but I think it's because he's kind of, it doesn't almost feel like there was like a compromise, it's like, okay, I'll just do everything that Kurt has been asking me to do this whole time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then you kind of wonder, like, what was holding him back?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it because he was frustrated?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't really understand, like, it took.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sam Singh kind of like this nasty side of basketball to to figure it out like I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did do is that he did do this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember he did this stuff in his second year, um, players were hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there was a stretch of games in like that second, I think his second year, I think that was the pool getting punched here because that was after they won the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that there were just like players missing whether it was Steph or Dre or something but he had games down the stretch in like say January to March where he was just like doing this exact thing and getting minutes and then when the playoffs have come around Sacramento Kings playoffs off that he just wouldn't play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if he may be gave up on that he was like well I'm doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now, you know, when it comes to important time, important basketball, like you're pulling me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not getting even, I didn't touch the court against the Lakers, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he, he, I get that in that series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was Kings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got a few opportunities against Alex Lenn and just got like stuffed at the rim.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the Lakers series, he didn't even touch the floor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the following year,

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[SPEAKER_00]: he doesn't get minutes in that Sacramento play in game until like the third quarter or something and he doesn't or maybe it was right before the half but it was clear that they weren't going in his direction and then you know he kind of forces their hand because they're just losing to the kings in the play and and then same thing last year where

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[SPEAKER_00]: Steph goes out and and so he it's just been like he hasn't been trusted, but I will say to his credit he has had moments and stretches where I feel like he's done these things and maybe hasn't been rewarded with the important time and the important play, but it's got to be consistent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's got to be sustainable, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that is the thing that he's realized is if he can play consistently, if he can be that high energy guy in a consistent fashion, that is actually what this team needs and that is where he can stand out in the sea of, as Steph called them, the Onks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you buy the way you see Warriors World's shirt that I send that to you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Warriors World has a shirt with Steph.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Steph Jimmy Dremon and Owl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or for kind of dressed up as like OGs like, oh yeah, did you see this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm daddy's kind of and it's, he's the ocean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, they straight up stole the clippers thing because that's what everyone was calling clippers, the clippers in the off season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's not anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, there could be more than one function.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I think right we would have been the auction had a JK not taking so long to sign that damn contract Basically right when Horford signed it put pen to paper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were really like, oh, okay Yeah, this team is old now when we knew he was gonna be there like the whole time All right now here's question The better JK plays Also the better it is for his trademark it The better JK plays The better it is for his fit

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the Warriors, trying to win another championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's more likely that he gets traded or less likely that he gets traded if he continues to play at this pace?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think less likely, but I feel like we've been in this position before, where, like I said, the moments where he did stuff like this, and then it was like, okay, maybe we shouldn't trade him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, Steve kind of takes him out, and it's like, well, we clearly should have traded him because he's not playing in the important moments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you can promise me, which no one can, you can't promise me, I can't promise anyone that he's going to be able to sustain this and he'll stay at stick in the rotation, because we've just been told time and time again that that's just not the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to think, but I feel like for me once for me twice for me three times for me four times, but I would like to think that this is going to be sustained and curl will keep him at least in the rotation, maybe not the starting line, but at least the rotation, then I think he should stay, but you know, if if if.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's tough because that kind of feels like the whole song and dance with the young players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they play well and you want to keep them because it looks well good when they're playing well with the starters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you need that, you need that youth man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could like the clippers looked old last night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were the team coming off of the back to back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The clippers looked old, broke Lopez and CP3.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That unit looked like you're doing this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you need the youth and the clippers don't have it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like it was clear that the clippers didn't have it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think right now the only guy like

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[SPEAKER_00]: You need commingo or someone with that youth that can take the leap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, like the only one that's coming to mind that even seems relatively feasible, although I don't think it is, is tray.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's tray Murphy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see why New Orleans would trade him, but that's like, I can't think of many other names that I think comming is trade values higher than Colby whites.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, like, I'm glad I guess I'm glad we didn't do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it just, it's not because I'd never believed in comming it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was because I didn't believe our coach believed in him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: he was never get to this level on this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's because yeah, we're just like, what will Steve do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and before we, you know, before we put coming in the MVP race for, or the all star race, he's got to do it, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it would be great to come back next week and to see how he did it against

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[SPEAKER_01]: Janis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he's going to get some, he's going to get some opportunity to guard him for sure against Indy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he's got a consistency is the key for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he doesn't have to have these super high peaks where he at some point, he looks like, you know, one of the best players on the court.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's great if he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what he does need and what

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[SPEAKER_01]: PT is just consistency.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just continue to do what he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's actually some really good matchups coming up for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I don't know if you've looked at the warrior schedule up coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: sons kings next week back to back and then we get the nuggets again at the end of next week in Denver uh first uh game of the group stage for the NBA Cup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then on the on the 11th, so we're we're a couple weeks away from that thunder spurs back to back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's rough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And not only thunder spurs back to back, but it goes thunder spurs day off spurs again cheese.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Geez, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But everything before that thunder thing, so you said it was Milwaukee, Indiana, Sacramento, Phoenix, Denver.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Phoenix, Sacramento, Dettinia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we look at that last year and we're like, can they go 500?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, this year I'm like, there's no reason they shouldn't win out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think I think what foreign ones probably most likely, but that just is just a different team now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like we have,

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[SPEAKER_00]: we could say that and also like it doesn't sound crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They should, they should win all those games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They should beat Milwaukee, that Sacramento Phoenix, those are two teams that just aren't playing well right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they should win those two games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I haven't even really looked into Phoenix just because I feel like they're gonna be bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if they're not playing well or not, but I imagine they aren't,

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[SPEAKER_00]: got that great and then Denver, you've already beat them once, but yeah, did go to OT, but I don't think Aaron Gordon is going to have another 50 point game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you think that, you know, they can get that game too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, the OKC spurs one is going to be tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just you just hope that you get one of those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The will see is this San Antonio thing real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Wendy's real for sure, but you know, they went to OT against the pelicans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're a young team that's going to have, you know, some rough games against some rough teams at time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they got to play the function pretty soon two times at the the the Easter conference is kind of funny because

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[SPEAKER_01]: the sixers of all teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The two teams undefeated in the east, the sixers and the bulls, obviously the thunder and then the spurs also undefeated in the west.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the bucks who the Warriors played next, three and one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So even without some of the players, I think that with a Dame, not being on this team anymore and

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Miles Turner joining this team and a lot of the players from the previous championship run all gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're they're still doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So and they got three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a tentacumbo brothers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was interesting about the Milwaukee team is it was like we've been doing this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: since they won in 2021, 22, like that's season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the following year, we got to see them draft Patrick Baldwin Jr. Ryan Rollins and Gisanto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we covered that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we talked about who these players were sure we didn't know who Ryan Rollins was, but we looked into it and learned who he was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's now a key piece on this Milwaukee team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for him, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He never really had an opportunity with the warriors because of the same stuff that you know, JKs dealing with in JK was a higher draft pick who's going to get more opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Owner loves him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rollins was just a little bit of like just, you know, kind of a crush your fingers that that he can play better than what you expect at him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that this dude has found a spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to see it in that Jordan pool trade to Washington to get CP3 over here and get off the JPE contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tim and Patrick Baldwin were like trade filler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then now he's on Milwaukee after the shopping incident.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he got caught stealing from Target.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he then he got caught from Washington.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's in Milwaukee or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who did Ryan Rollins was like show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was just like a dopamine thing too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was like a little it was like stuff like dumb stuff like not even.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No heists first that said Carmichael you said Ryan Rollins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so now you know we look ahead and you got these upcoming games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: if you were to kind of project the next five games do you think the warriors keep this the same great start or is it kind of like the 49ers where they've they've created a little bit of padding they don't have to go after all these games do you expect it to be like another 49ers another foreign one with with the schedule that i that i mentioned over the next five games bucks

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[SPEAKER_00]: probably Denver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm interested with Milwaukee to see what they do uh, like attacking the room, but like I was thinking about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, have they played as good as a good of like a front line defense that or the, uh, you know, like forward defense and center that that no walkie has with the honest and miles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they did play a former defensive player the year in Jaren, but I'm interested to see how that goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's just Denver again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be the toughest game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think I think four and one is very likely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think five and oh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: would be awesome, um, but I'm just wondering.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going three and two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like why wouldn't they keep this up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no, everyone's the healthy, everyone's playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this isn't the Niners where you lose Fred Warner one week, the week before you lose both, so the week before you haven't had Perti and Pierce all, like they're just injured.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the warriors aren't injured.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fully expecting them to lose that down for a game because it is in Denver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know I know Milwaukee is a little bit of a one-man team right now, but if you seen some of these Janis numbers, he's averaging 36.2 points a game in 32.8 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: shooting 70% from the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're just getting to the rim.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just constantly getting to the rim, getting to the rim, getting to the rim.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that it's not, it's not like the warriors are super fantastic at guarding him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're going to struggle with him just as much as everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's, I think it's probably a 50 50 game at that point because Milwaukee is playing

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[SPEAKER_01]: can actually stay hot from shooting like yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what's actually kind of crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Commingah, Dramon and Jimmy together, which is a lineup that they would have never played last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those three guys together are plus 37 right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason is, because all three guys are shooting really well from three point land.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you're going to have to duplicate that kind of effort in a game like tomorrow's game against Milwaukee is if if those lineups because you're going to have to play big against

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless you force Milwaukee to play small and then you honest just play center, which you may do Miles is their second best player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see them balling into that trap, but I mean that would be a way You know that that could be a way to kind of attack them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You think they start putting posts on Thursday?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that tomorrow?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's tomorrow

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he doesn't want to play out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't want to start out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He says he wants out to come off the bench.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That also helps with the minutes, the way that they have the minutes laid out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's either going to be poster pods.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm more interested in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What seems to, is this all going to be match a base throughout the entire year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to stick with one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I do think when post starts tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it feels like pods is the one you probably stick with because you did it last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To go back to your Rollins point, he is a second leading score on the team, 15.3 points a game, Gary Trent, AJ Green, it's all guards, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: AJ Green, Cole Anthony, Ken Porter Jr., you have to go all the way down to Kyle Kuzma.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's playing 30 minutes a game, 8.3 points a game, 6.8 rebounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if it's I haven't I haven't watched any of their game walks to see highlights of the honest Showing on everybody and then there was another highlight yesterday where he

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[SPEAKER_01]: like traveled about like half of the length of the court.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Jesus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we'll move on from the warriors, but it is it has been so fun to watch right now and like I said like my like at this point in steps career you can't miss a game because you just want to see everything and so that's where I'm at with stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's talk about some balconies and the WMBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, before we get to the CBA stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: have you been watching any of this internet, any of these international games that I see that are getting posted in our discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll turn them on, but I haven't been as locked in as I guess I thought I would with like the you stay games, the carlig games, you know, the the genel games, like I kind of have an idea of how their teams are doing, but, you know, they, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: about I'm forgetting his name on discord, but he's been locked in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a channel to our guy cast in the discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just so he's watching for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's watching you stay stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, on how you stay playing and you stay inside or yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's another reason though, another reason, like I'll just keep promoting that discord every single time, like it's it's such a it's a nice little way to just keep in, you know, just basically stay up to date with this stuff and, you know, we'll, I think I've been more active in the past than I have been lately, but I guess the W MBA news has kind of been down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just been more CBA stuff as opposed to like higher than more fun stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, get more fun when they take care of this CBA stuff with you know, and we're going to talk about it in a second like the last time that you know, the last couple times that they've missed the CBA deadline, it's it's really been early the following year when they actually get a deal done so it could go that far and we will just be in this like weird space of like nothing going on, but I do think that there's just there should be a little bit more of a sense of urgency because again and I mentioned this last time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you have this opportunity to really take advantage of this crazy free agent period.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you want, and there's gonna be so much more media coming out of that for your league, and you don't want it to be negative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want it to be, oh, you know, these, they can't get their act together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's this opportunity and now they're fighting and oh, now it's the free agent period.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you want this stuff to be positive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hopeful that they do get it done sooner than that, but it doesn't sound, it doesn't sound too promising at least right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But before we get to that, I just wanted to mention the discord itself is really fun because we're in this kind of early stage and I think we're doing it in the right way where we have a handful of people who are kind of hanging out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get more people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure once the WMBACs and starts again and maybe during some of this college basketball

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, you know, it's kind of a slowly but surely thing and I'm just, I like to see who's kind of hanging out and who is posting stuff and again, shout out to cast out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there are people who are requesting access and they're joining, but I think they're probably lurking, you know, just to get a little comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes discord, so you have people who just lurk what I'm totally fine with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: as well, as long as everything is cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so, you know, hit me up, GG at BSPN Media.com, if you want to come hang out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll also throw a link in this chat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll also, if people request a link in the comments, I will also send a link in the comments to, as a reply.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so where do we sit right now with this deadline?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Friday, which is in two days from as we're recording, is the deadline day to get this thing done?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've heard from both sides that they

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[SPEAKER_01]: It actually, I don't know if the NBA or the WMBA side has said anything specifically, but the player side has definitely said that they do not believe that a deal will be done by that deadline day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it, by all accounts, it seems like this, this day is going to come and go and nothing will be done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe on Monday,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the WNBA owners sent in another proposal so that was the latest and I don't know what that proposal like all the things that was in that proposal but obviously nothing has happened so it's not getting to the to the teeth of what the union wants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have been kind of following

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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like the last labor deal was really more about a lot of the accouturements that they need with their safety and with the health care and with the mothers and taking care of that stuff and as we know, they got the better travel a couple of years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so now it seems like this is where they believe is the time that they need to get the money right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've been

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[SPEAKER_01]: the what they want to get to which is a model that is similar to the NBA where you get this 5050 split for revenue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And which is why the NBA cap just is constantly going up and up is because every time

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[SPEAKER_01]: the league just gets more revenue, half of it goes into the the NBA salary cap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what the W NBA wants because they're like, hey, why does it have to be?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know is that the way that the ownership and the equity around the league is different, which is part of the reason why they're current, they don't really have this revenue share in the way that the NBA does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I know that's what

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[SPEAKER_01]: What if the NBA ownership group came back and said, let's have a plan and here's how long we want it to take.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And two years here's what the split will be in four years here's what the split will be with the idea that is it incrementally going to get up to 50 50 so that the players have like this vision of when they will get to that split now in the meantime the owners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: will be able to recoup some of the money that they've invested in this league because the league has been a money loser so far overall historically so they can recoup some of that in the meantime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the at the same time, when the WMBA gains in popularity, they will also make out because of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it is kind of like it is in both of their best interest to really,

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[SPEAKER_01]: do you think a deal like that where the owners are are compromising and promising like we're going to get there it took us this is what the NBA was for a long time and here are the steps that it took to get there to where it is today do you think that that would be a compromise from any of the things that you've heard or do you think the players are more interested in kind of like you know million dollars is you know is the max salary and and things of that nature

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, million dollar max salary is not asking much in comparison to, you know, what the split would even look like, like, you know, I think I think what they of course, like you said, like, if they had it their way, of course, the split would be 50 50, but that's just not how.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the league has has their percentages dished out right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, it's been mentioned on the athletic women's basketball show that, you know, what you said, they, that would be the best thing for them is the 50 50, but it's like they just want a model that goes up with the league revenue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because right now they have a fixed percentage where it's like, it goes up like 3% increments every year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fixed percentage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what if next year the WMBA just makes, you know, triple the times of the revenue that, you know, they made the year before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you'll make this set up right now to be the 3% they want it to go up with the revenue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that that's kind of what they're more so looking at right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think you're proposal like if there is, I think if there's more honesty and more like long, yeah, yeah, if there was that that was a type of solution.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that would resonate with the players more, but I don't think it's really been that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just been undershooting what, you know, we even thought was maybe in the minimums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like 850.

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[SPEAKER_00]: max salary, you know, I think we at least thought it was going to be a million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like at the very least, just it seems like sure the league has been a money loser historically, but I would I would be so shocked if you went to any owner and been like, well, do you want, do you want to, you know, do you would you like to sell your share?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I find new ownership because it's been a money loser, so would do you want to get out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No one wants to get out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone wants to get in this league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think there are some ownership groups like maybe Connecticut,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who would they want to get out because they can't they probably can't afford what this is going to become right and so they so they've probably invested They probably have found out that they are not really coming out ahead, but then by selling it because like you said there are people who want to get into the league That's where they may be able to really hoop a lot of money

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, the Mojigan tribe probably, you know, there's probably some, a lot of these are, you know, MBA ownership groups, and I didn't even realize how many were like Indiana, Washington, I think I kind of knew that, but it was just, yeah, I thought that it was mainly just like Joe Lake of Maddish, Bia and the size that were like the big spenders because they are, but there is, there is more MBA ownership in this league than I thought, and there's going to be more coming in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just think that, you know, if they say like the historical money loser, I get it, but like, you know, this is going to be very profitable in the long run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it feels like I'm with the players in the sense that, like, if you don't get it this time, then you're just going to watch the next five years go or have her long until you can opt out again, just it's going to be a lot of missed, missed opportunity and missed money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I have not covered the history of labor negotiations in the WNBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I have to believe that this is probably the time that they've had the players have had the most leverage maybe in the history of the WNBA and you don't want that opportunity to be wasted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is why they're probably going to hold as strong as they possibly could while at the same time understanding

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[SPEAKER_01]: that some of these players, you know, they've kind of re-conditioned their livelihood, though there are still some WMBA players playing in internationally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I go back to that

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, she wins like the WMBA championship and then literally leaves on a plane to Russia like the next day because that's really where she's making all of her money and you want the WMBA to be the main league like it's actually I'm not saying it's insulting for

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the WMBA is who should be embarrassed because they're like, oh, we can't even pay our players enough money to wear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can train with their teams and have a proper off season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and but maybe they're not embarrassed because they're like, you know, the better it is to for the player salaries to be down, the better the better it is for us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing that I was thinking about,

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[SPEAKER_01]: was the expansion teams, and that's also the difference in the previous negotiations to now is you kind of want to get it done because what happens is if you go all the way, let's say they go to February and they finally strike a deal from February to mid April, you have to do expansion

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[SPEAKER_01]: collegiate and international players draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And these two teams that you're wanting to build up, you're not given them a long runway for the fans to be really excited about these teams because there's an unknown, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to put,

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[SPEAKER_01]: your season ticket money down if the WNBA is going to miss the beginning of the season because they're locked out, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you want all that stuff to be resolved so that you can actually go into marketing your two new teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's another part of this that is not accounted for in these other negotiations because of expansion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're hot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to halt the hotness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have these two teams coming in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to give them the best opportunity to be like the Valkyries where this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you have this crazy free agency period that you want to take advantage of from a publicity standpoint, kind of being at the top of the sports center news, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe they're

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[SPEAKER_01]: they can be, you know, right near there with, uh, with the media stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think, well, I think the players are have the most leverage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that they're smart enough to, and I think smart is not the right word, because again, you're messing with people's livelihoods and their paychecks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope their, um, patient enough, patient may not be a great word either,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that they do have a good deal of leverage here and to really, you know, let's, let's get these, you know, let's really put some some stuff out there publicity wise to show that, hey, you know, maybe maybe we think that, you know, the owners are crying poor here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe they're actually making a little bit more money than people realize and let let's show that information.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are interesting things there that they could do because they they do have the advantage that they are the face of the like nobody knows what Josiah or Joey Lightyear's looks like, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really the player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they they can actually do that from a fan perspective to get the sympathy on their side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope they do it because I think I just

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wonder, like, in terms of, you know, you say the players at the leverage, like, what happens when, like, say they don't get the deal done, they're not going to get it done back to over 31st, the extension happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then this thing, like historically, I guess, doesn't get resolved until the beginning of next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, guess what happens between now and the beginning of next year is unrivaled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder if that plays a factor, maybe on rival, like what if it just gets like insane ratings?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can use that as leverage, like our will, you know, we have unrivaled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And do they leverage the Maverick Carter, you know, five billion dollar investment that he's seeking for the men and women's league in Europe?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that has that has WMBA former players wanting to invest, like Candice Parker and Lauren Jackson, like

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like you said, Diana Terrasi and it's not every European country that, you know, makes all this money, it's like it was like the Russia and I imagine maybe like the China and yeah, that was and that was like I don't know how long it was and they don't go to Russia anymore because obviously if what happened, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I just wonder if if they're just like, yeah, if they're like, we're going to make more money, you know, going elsewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I just can't believe that this is as they could just lose, if they leverage stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're like, well, you know, the macro card or thing or the unrival thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I know the macro card or thing is just not really like put out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's been athletic pieces, front office boards pieces where.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, what if they make more money overseas, then I did, it's just what what are we doing here, but you, you lose the Cash, you really lose the ability to be the face of a sports person in the US, right, like I'm sure you get something out of Going overseas and playing, you know, maybe there's more money, but when you come back

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you get to use your likeness, your celebrity in a way and I think that's what we learned with like you stay is that like it's just been like a dream of ours because this is the best league in the world, right, but I think if so, yeah, I think that the WMBA will always still be here, but, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: they I think they got to stick on stuff playing around man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, I don't I don't think that the players have all the leverage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they have the most leverage they've ever had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they do have to take advantage of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They cannot be pushovers here because and and cry and let the owners cry foul because they haven't made as much money and they've been look, it is an investment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you, you know, you can invest money in anything and

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[SPEAKER_01]: and, you know, playing for the long run versus playing for short-term games like that is part of investing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I'm saying is the WNBA ownership can't say, well, we need to get all of our money back first before we can then pay the players more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not how it works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to get all of your money back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can have plans to, you know, to grow the

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[SPEAKER_01]: slowly, but surely, or maybe not even slowly, but surely, maybe just over a span of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they can physically see and they can actually make some calculations about what that money is going to be like, especially as the league grows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are the ones seeing all of the people in the buildings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are the ones seeing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that the Valkyries sold out every single game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is a difference from how it was 10 years ago, or five years ago, and they can see that as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can see the expansion fees that these ownership are getting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they can see the owners who want to come into league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that means that there's money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that there's investment coming in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would just, I'm not playing with this ownership crying foul and, you know, we're poor and all this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would, I would not really take that for face value.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's just a play a politician, play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's talk a little bit about the coaches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to go over the new coaches in the league right now because they've been some hires.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Portland Fire, they hired Alex Sarama or Sarama, extensive background working in European and international men's and women's professional basketball,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Cleveland Caves assistant Cleveland yet assistant coach Cleveland Cavs the fires front office cited his track record of creating intelligent decision makers Okay, and his comfort operating as a coach for an expansion franchise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the Portland fire has their first their their recent I guess that the Portland have a team before

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so they're they're reintroduced franchise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then this one's the interesting one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The downswings hired Jose Fernandez college coach last 25 years at South Florida.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be the person who's got the keys to the page beckers car here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of in chef that they would get a little bit of a bigger name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess he was also interviewed for the job last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they must have liked what they saw though he didn't get the job last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but he's going to be a pages coach and he'll probably get another good young player based on the upcoming draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He likes apparently like an international focus, so I wonder if Miss Awafam goes higher than I think she should be number one or number two and maybe the actual draft will reflect that now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seattle Storm have Sonja Raman, who was an assistant for the Liberty and also coached at the NBA level with the Grizzlies and she was the coach at MIT for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So first person of Indian descent to be a WNBA head coach, which is pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Toronto tempo there very first coach is Sandy Brandello who was, uh, I don't know, ceremony unceremoniously removed as the head coach of the New York Liberty one year after winning the WMBA championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She also coaches the Australian national team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, she's there to immediately establish culture and all the things that go with being an expansion team franchise, but it's kind of the opposite of what the Valks did, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Valks went with somebody who was younger,

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[SPEAKER_01]: somebody who was, you know, their first job in Versa Sanibrandela who's a vet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just different, you know, different strategies in getting your yes Seattle basically mimicked the Golden State strategy where it's like former like MBA experience to WMBA assistant experience to WMBA head coach.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's end up like all the hires.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm not even, even, even Jose, I actually really do like him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's very well respected by his peers, but Gino like I think he's very involved in like, I, you know, I looked into him and like I think there was, and I have to come back and maybe talk about it next week if I could find it again, but it just seems like he's very, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: like interactive and wants to grow the game and like has that type of mindset that you know, and I like all the hires, even you know, the sarama, the guy's British.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even like, I heard him talk to him in the press conference.

01:01:54.008 --> 01:02:00.035
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you don't really hear too many British accents in this game, him and Demi, yeah.

01:02:00.155 --> 01:02:08.464
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, last segment, I just, this will be really short just to kind of celebrate women's college who also starting

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who do you think has the better season this year between the former teammates, Olivia Miles and Hannah Hadalgo?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who has the better season?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably TCU.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dixha, Olivia Miles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just northern dam, it feels like they lost so much with not as much incoming like they lost citron, they lost West spelled, they lost Olivia Miles, because they're all seniors, I think they lost a couple more, too, but it's just, you know, I think Hidalgo's a dog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, actually, she comes to Stanford and Berkeley this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to go watch her play, so, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the TCU move for Olivia was, I think they had mentioned it with the no offices in part and mentioned it with Hailey Van Light lift last year, but that they kind of have this super old roster that like almost rivals like WMBA age limit to enter the

01:03:07.388 --> 01:03:12.693
[SPEAKER_00]: the league like they just have a really old roster that's kind of plays like a WMBA roster wood.

01:03:12.713 --> 01:03:19.780
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's value and maybe going there to get adapted to that type of environment and that type of play style.

01:03:20.261 --> 01:03:23.824
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that play style definitely favors Olivia Miles game.

01:03:25.446 --> 01:03:36.096
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think TCU just because they're older and Olivia Miles is a floor razor, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But do you think she has a better season than Hannah?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That, okay, sorry, that was, I guess that was a question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a, that's a tough one.

01:03:44.128 --> 01:03:46.631
[SPEAKER_00]: I would lean yes, but I don't say that confidently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Hannah could just have a crazy year given that she's like the primary primary person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, here's the reason why I asked this question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was reading Shantel Jennings'

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back, Shantel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to hear on the, a no-ass he's in part again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She had her, all the, the women's college basketball, all-American, all-American team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so she picked for her first team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She picked Sarah Strong, Lauren Betts, Madison Booker, Hannah Hadalgo, and then as I was scrolling down, I was like, oh, and then it's gonna be Olivia Miles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michaela Blake's from Vanderbilt was her first team and you got to go down to second team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, who else is not on the first team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Flage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was on the second team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Azy Olivia Miles, Azy Fudge tonight, Latson, Latson and his last person here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody McMahon, Cody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did she transit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We watched her play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's Ohio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, miss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She transferred Ole Miss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was it, I was like, wow, I didn't, you know, I would have assumed Olivia miles would have been right there with Hannah dog on the on the preseason first team, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... she wasn't she was on the side i bet you was it i i imagine it was a tough decision and i imagine it wasn't like easy that wasn't like it easy because that i think that's the two that you have to think about right there that Hannah has you know full green light the entire team to herself so she could theoretically put up more individual stats i don't really know tcu's roster but i just know that alivia is gonna thrive and play well in that type of roster because of what the coach you know wants

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we got a lot of stuff done on this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So appreciate folks hanging out listening on the audio feed watching on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Done this college season start like on Monday or something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what it starts?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I saw tons of women's college stuff in the athletic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why should we try to go and wear an Arizona or it is not enough time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who who does Arizona play when we're there?

01:05:55.724 --> 01:05:55.805
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See, I don't even know if they're home or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're in a good conference, they're going to have a good team conference, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see Becky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited for Becky Berks first year as the coach.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's she's got like a she got so what's that Lion's head coach name that is the guy who's like full energy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Dan Campbell Dan Campbell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not that I don't think she's anywhere close to Dan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Dan's just a different animal out there, but she kind of brings that like we got this like positive vibes type of

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[SPEAKER_01]: vibes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we wish it go see as much as we possibly can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this year, especially with it's just unfortunate that Cowell and Stanford aren't in that echelon of of teams that are going to be really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sally states dog meat, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just have some top recruits this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They might be on track to becoming like a good program again, post, you know, I've never been to Stanford.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been to Stanford gym, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went last year as cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've never been to the Berkeley gym.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have not either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the house pavilion or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:07:07.992 --> 01:07:10.716
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, who has a bet you proc daddy could get us in?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We should hit them up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back next week to talk more warriors more valks more WMBA hopefully there will be some sort of forward progress in those CBA talks for Brian WG we will see when we see you piece out.