Valkyries stomp the Fever after two loses, Carla Leite is back, roster decisions await | Valks Valley

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[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Vap's valley with a new face here as I recorded with Brian on Tuesday evening and he's on his way to the NBA Summer League and so is JJ my other son my second son he's gonna fill in the intro because we both just watched the Valkyries stomp

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Indiana fever in Caitlyn clerks first game in quite a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we had a discussion yesterday about whether or not the Valkyries would win and my thought was you know you can take advantage of Caitlyn being a little rusty the team having to be back playing with her after having to figure out how to play without her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And early in the morning, it's camp day, I guess, as the reason they played so early in the morning, Valkyries on the road have not been great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they went out and just beat the bumps off of the fever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think about the game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like you said, we talked last night and I was completely wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the Valk are the fever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to beat on the Valkeries just because they lost that home to the sparks in a game that they should have won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought they were going to go get this one, especially with Caitlyn, but yeah, I was completely wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and by the way, I think you are the most brought-up person on BSPN, and this is your BSPN debut.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're talking about queries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I figured your debut would be giants or warriors, and no, you're talking about queries here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it would be giants, but here we are, big shoes to fill with pride out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I thought that some of the interesting things watching that game, I didn't watch completely live, but I was pretty close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And watching a game at nine o'clock in the morning is quite interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was able to kind of watch through some work meetings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I have a specific way of watching where, you know, I try and watch as closely to real time as possible, like a ten minute quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I try to watch the ten minute quarter in ten minutes so that I don't waste time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I kind of liked morning with the WMBA there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then secondly,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The energy, the Vacres had so much energy in the morning, morning game for them, obviously in Indiana.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was at nine a.m.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like it was for us, but they had so much energy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they were going to be sluggish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess it comes from your best player because Kayla Thornton was guarding Caitlyn Clark for the majority of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was being very physical with her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In some ways, getting away with fouls, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Caitlyn flails a lot and sometimes you kind of wonder if she was really fouled, but Caitlyn was very handsy with her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, she was trying to get the foul call and didn't really get it very much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you have your best player who is a bigger player,

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[SPEAKER_01]: guarding one of the best offensive players in the league and setting the tone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that kind of is what really helped get the Valkyries off to a solid start, but then even better than the second quarter, a fantastic second quarter and just kind of they ran away with it from there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what did you think about Kayla guarding Caitlyn?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was going to be my first take that I wanted to save, but you took it right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I was completely surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had written it down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like Kayla Thornton guarding Caitlyn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even think she had like the lateral foot speed to keep up, but I thought she did a really good job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even there was a play where like Caitlyn kind of like half spun and like fell and she kind of like pulled the chair under her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't even really complain that much because she kind of knew like she stumbled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that was my first, uh, it's a called thought when I was watching was that Caitlyn was gardening doing a really good job too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the Caitlyn handle was interesting because I thought she got loose with it a little bit too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of times it was when she was trying to turn, when she was going left and turning, it seemed like they saw that as an opportunity to go after the basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they got like three steals off of her from that same type of play every time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... offensively kill a thorton of course was a really good but for out of a burden i thought had her best game twenty one point six assists eight rebounds she's all over the floor she's probably got pieces of her skin on that court still for how many you know how many times she hit the ground but you've you've been kind of up and down with her whether or not she should be their point guard or or she should play as much as she does which think about her game today

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I was wrong about everything today because she was shooting the lights out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, what I thought was pretty maybe not burden, but the fever got out to like a twelve six lead early and I was like, oh, they're just going to get run over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the the Vox.

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[SPEAKER_00]: stayed composed which is hard on the road like they played what two days ago that I thought that had every chance to be a blowout and the fever were just playing with a bunch of pace but I thought the Valks stayed composed and part of that is just Burton setting them up but she was just making a lot of shots to from deep pretty interesting too

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much trust with Natalie and Veronica.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you look at the minutes, we'll mention this in a second, but Carla Late was finally back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Carla, Carla, Carla Late even went shirts her box off of her box score stats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look bad, which they did today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's almost always a plus, which is funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Veronica Burton played thirty four minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No other Valkyrie played more than twenty eight, tip haze played twenty eight minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tipez and Veronica Burton the best plus minus that plus twenty two for the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think she just trusts her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She probably sees a floor general.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Veronica Burton isn't flashy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a little bit more of a bulldog.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a smart player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't see her throwing reckless passes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like sometimes Carla is want to do and previously Julie Van Lue as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they were more looking for like hitting the home run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and and Veronica Burton sitting singles and doubles and that worked today in a game where they needed like you said to stay composed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kael Thorton is their best player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's their all star but Veronica Burton very much so is their leader and their one be and it was really good to see her have such an excellent game especially because you know whenever you play Caitlyn you got more eyeballs on you then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when you're not playing Caitlyn so that that is something that I really liked about today because after the last two games, you know, you mentioned the slow start on the Valkyries, I was like, oh man, you know, they've lost two in a row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those those two teams that they lost to a really good team, so, you know, no harm, no foul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if they kind of get on a little bit of a losing streak, it's a little bit of a regression to the mean, you know, because Brian and I have been talking about playoffs, like there's a legitimate opportunity for them to make the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you go, oh, no, this stretch where they may kind of come back to Earth and know they actually did the opposite today, which was fantastic to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, I was just amazed, like the shot making was there, the defense, like the defensive energy was there, that they trap, almost at the perfect time it seems like, you know, they have a sense for that, the sense for the moment of when they can create the opportunity of turnovers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all that was really awesome to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So someone we've been talking about for a little while, Brian and I especially, but someone that you're a big fan of,

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[SPEAKER_01]: is Carla Late and she was back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, she probably needs to get a little closer to the basket because those three pointers were short.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think they miss her energy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she's got so much energy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like a bouncing ball on the court.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they missed it, you know, kind of the opposite player of Caitlyn Chen who's a little bit more like Veronica Burton in her style.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you miss that like, you know, the the jumpiness from Carla, would you think of Carla today?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the jumper was not fallen, but I just think she brings like a different element as a guard like finishing around the basket because Burton is kind of bulldozing in there to draw the foul doesn't have like the slick finishes, but Carla gets in there and it's kind of Kyrie like with the left hand and whatnot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, the shot was not fallen, but I think the jet and opportunity where it was swing swing, she had the shot, but she just upfaked it and just got right to the hole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: finish with the left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I do think they missed a little bit of that that Chan and Burton don't do as much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the only two players who did not get in the game, which was surprising because the Valkyrie did win this game by nineteen points eighty to sixty one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They outscored Indiana twenty to nine in the second quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also won the third and fourth quarters after Indiana won the first quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only two players who didn't play, Stephanie Talbot and Cecilia Zandalesini.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what that exactly means for the team, you know, heading into the future because they do have, you know, they do play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can play all twelve players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is, that is kind of a gift and a curse in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So looking ahead,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They play the aces on Saturday and we'll play the discussion that Brian and I had going over the last two games here in a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Brian said he's going to try and go to that aces game aces and valkyries in Vegas on a Saturday afternoon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You are also going to be in Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is your schedule for Vegas?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely want to go to that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was telling Brian that I do want to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If if the tickets are cheap and whatnot, but the plan is wake up, swim in the little pool at twelve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go to the gym, sit there for five hours, watch whatever, and then yeah, come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like the three day weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to get, you got to get some Alex two e-takes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you, if you're going to see any.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then so so they play Saturday then they play Monday both road games against Phoenix and then Wednesday another road game against the storm Friday another road game No, actually I think I have this wrong

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Phoenix at home, storm in Seattle, Dallas at home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's next week's schedule.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Brian will be back by then and we'll figure out our recording schedule then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But thanks for hanging out and helping me with this intro because I did want to get the Indiana game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did want to get a discussion about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's let's throw to the discussion I have with Brian about the previous two games and some discussion about the roster, about their depth, about what happens if Ely on a repair decides to come through and a little bit of a discussion about Kate Martin surprising us with her game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's toss it to that segment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brian is headed to Las Vegas for NBA summer league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe he'll come back with some thoughts on the warriors and Alex to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess who may I guess he's gonna play right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to imagine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and who's the other guy they got will Robinson will something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the floor to guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but you know what else thinking like as the expansion happens in WMBA like how cool it'd be for

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[SPEAKER_01]: the WNBA to have their own sort of spring league or whatever, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like post, I mean, the NCAAs happen so soon before WNBA season, you'd have to finagle that, but it'd kind of be interesting to have like a little preseason early, young player kind of action for teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's all relying on scheduling because like you said, I think March madness ends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Does it bleed into April at all?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first weekend in April, I think is the finals.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then the season maybe training camp is like in May or like pre seasons in May, like it's just so quick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then a draft is like a week after like the tournament championship game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's all the relying on scheduling if they were at WMBA where to push their season back a little but then they do they want to run into the NFL and the NBA more like it's kind of feels a little tough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, since the last time we talked, uh, the Valkers have played two games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they played the Minnesota links and they played them pretty competitively I thought but they lost some steam late in the game or second half and then they played the Atlanta dream and I thought the way that they were playing that they were possibly going to get ahead of the dream a little bit maybe even create some distance and that is absolutely not what happened because the Atlanta dream

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[SPEAKER_01]: went on a crazy run in the fourth quarter to put that game away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So last time we're talking, we're like, oh, man, they're going to be a playoff team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they lose two games to very good teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel any differently about what they may be by the end of the season?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but not by that much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they still need to prove it on the road, which they kind of have yet to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to think of like big road wins for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One games in California.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just the sparks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so, you know, I think we feel good about them at home, but they need to still prove it on the road.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, this is a long road stretches entire month of July is probably eighty percent road games for them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think you kind of like what you see just based off of

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[SPEAKER_02]: being in it with Minnesota being in it with Atlanta, but I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually thought that they were going to maybe bullet race Atlanta.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like after, you know, the first couple runs, it was like, okay, Atlanta has these really two bigs in Brianna Jones and Brittany Griner and they were kind of missing shots to start and they're the pretty big.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Valkyries are good at team rebounding and everyone kind of crashes the paint and they just get the bow and run and I was like, oh, if they could just get these bigs to miss shots, it's an easy rebound, fast break run score.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that strategy, you know, was working for as long as they were missing shots.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then you have Brittany Griner and then Monique Billings as you're only five in the game with, with a me here and, in fact, mainly on the bench and Brittany Griner was just getting buckets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like it took them too long to bring back in one of the other bigs is if you're going to play against those two bigs I feel like you need two bigs regardless of if it's just grinder out there you need two bigs out there against her and I felt like that substitution came a little late where Atlanta had gotten some momentum and then

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, like you said, fourth quarter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually felt like the Valkyrie still, you know, I think what, were they tied going to the fourth or were they up or were they barely down?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I forget what it was, but it still felt like they kind of had potentially had a shot at this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that Atlanta had done something that I feel like I haven't seen many teams do against them, which is just insanely up the defensive intensity and basically blind side trap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, sure teams have shot the pick and roll and doubled the ball handler and the ball handler makes the easy read to the roller, but what about the person where their backs turn and comes out of nowhere and takes the ball away?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that, I feel like they haven't seen much of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there was that dumb call at the end of the game where like Burton and Kate Martin kind of have a little mix up under the basket, but some of them might need to refresh me of the rules because I didn't think that was illegal at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought you could almost say that Veronica was passing it to Kate to then pass back to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then you had the Atlanta head coach is going absolutely berserk on the sideline as if he'd seen like a cardinal sin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was just like, I thought I'd play basketball my whole life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think this was illegal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the thing is, as I didn't, I think they tried to show a quick replay, but they didn't really do a good job of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What it looked like is that Burton grabbed the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think she was out of bounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't because she was before she got out of bounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kate was kind of straddling the line and she threw up to Kate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they had to determine that Veronica would have been either

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[SPEAKER_01]: out of bounds completely and passing it in and Kate was kind of hovering the line or what you were saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had to say Veronica was completely, um, uh, no, no, I have that mixed up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had to think

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[SPEAKER_01]: Veronica had the ball behind the baseline and was passing it in and Kate was out of bounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's either that or when she was passing it, like you said, passing it parallel, you can make that out of bounds to out of bounds pass that Kate had her foot on the line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, either of those things didn't look like it happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What it looked like is that she grabbed the ball and before she walked out of bounds, she threw it to Kate who wasn't out of bounds either, but like no one had taken the ball physically out of bounds yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it looked like to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you're right, the coach had a conniction fit on the sidelines and they got the call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got his way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, but here's the thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You need that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a, like you said, it wasn't that big of a deal in the overall outcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know what was a pretty big deal in the overall outcome was the, the box score, which was at the end of the first quarter, Valks up ten.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the second quarter, so going into half time, they're still up two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the third quarter, they're up four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They get blitzed, twenty six to thirteen in the fourth quarter to lose that game by nine points.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like the key point, everyone keeps pointing out as turnovers and points off a turnovers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Have you seen that breakdown yet?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I didn't see it, but it's just pretty crazy number.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just watching the game, they were getting sloppy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Kayla threw a couple passes where she thought a player was going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think one of them, they actually didn't get it stolen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the other one they did, I think it may have been even been to Burton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she kind of threw it to where she thought Burton was going and she went the other way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot of stuff like that though, you know, what you would kind of call unforced errors, like it wasn't even really the defense, creating the turnover.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like the lack of chemistry on offense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is what I wanted to ask you about because we talked about this in the last show, which is

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've been very aware of Eurobasket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Since we started doing this podcast, you were like, here's what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to lose all these players and then they're going to come back and they're going to have to figure out how to stay above water when those players leave, but also incorporate them back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so for two games with Janelle Salon and Zandela Sini, they have not incorporated them back very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't figure out why I saw a couple of quotes by Natalie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she didn't really say much about why just that they kind of knew that they were going to have to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is part of the deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Janelle had four minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Zandela Sini had zero minutes against the dream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's incorporating them back into the offense and maybe what it was was Natalie was seeing how well they were playing and didn't want to take any opportunity to put them back in knowing that the team was playing very well with them out of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was very surprising because I think we both

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[SPEAKER_01]: think that Genel is probably one of the best five players on their team, but she hasn't looked good in her minutes back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She looks a little slow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe even tired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would imagine tired just from going and playing overseas in a tournament in midseason and not yet kind of back in the flow and they had a really good flow with those players out, which is also part of the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What have you seen from trying to reintroduce some of these players back into the, into the, the whole Shabang?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't quite been able to totally figure it out either, like it does feel weird that it's looked kind of this off, even in the Minnesota game, it kind of felt like that was the turning point is when Zandalistinian salon come in and it's like, oh, they're not being eight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not getting anything going and Minnesota goes on their run.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really know, I think you're on to something with the fatigue, like sure, you know, while they were at Eurobasket playing, so was the team playing here, like a wonder if you kind of match up how many games each person played.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably relatively similar, but you talk about flying overseas on not short notice, but just a quick turnaround after that sparks game, I think was their last game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, there were some back-to-backs in Eurobasket, and right on Sunday, you know, they fly back for Monday or Tuesday,

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think the fatigue, not necessarily game fatigue, but like also like travel fatigue, whereas the rest of the team just got to kind of chill in their own bed in their own apartment in San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think you can use that a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you how you would stack up like the competition they were playing over there versus the, I think the WMBA is the best league in the world.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just wonder like what the Valkyries beat team France?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they would beat team Euro basket France.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of what was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe you know that they just weren't playing like insanely tough competition.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That feels like a cop out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't necessarily totally know, but I will say,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Salon and Zandalasini kind of look like a little like slower than what the pace they want to play and I think Zandalasini

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[SPEAKER_02]: might be more of a naturally like slower player, but in the regard of like her movements, not necessarily she's like out of shape by any means.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just think she might be, you know, move at a slower pace.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but I feel like they want to play fast and they want to play athletic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I feel like when Salon and Zana Lucini come in, it hasn't felt

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[SPEAKER_02]: like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, who also plays like Xandalasini and Salon a little bit more than playing how the values are playing is used to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Use stays a little bit more like get to the spot, get to the spot, take the open shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she's not like booking it down the court and like getting layups like how they seem to want to play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that'll be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If three of your best players don't really fit

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[SPEAKER_01]: the design of the offense quite yet and then how do you incorporate and this is what Natalie was talking about just figuring out and she keeps she claims herself right she's she's very much like this is my fault I need to do a better job at this and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's her fault.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just chemistry in general.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you implement what you're trying to implement while getting these other players on the same page when they were gone and your team was really, really in rhythm?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is, that is going to be something that I mentioned this last week, which is like the thing that I'm focusing on is how do you incorporate these talented players back into your current rhythm?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't, what you risk is having to, if that doesn't work, if the style that we saw against Connecticut, right, where they are just getting rebound and booking it, and they're just beating teams down the floor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At some point, if you can't always do that, then it goes back to how you can run an offense and Janelle and Zandela Sini, those players

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[SPEAKER_01]: will need to be incorporated because they're good offensive players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you need two points, they are two of the better players so far on your team in addition to Kayla, who can get that bucket for you when you need it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're kind of going with this gritty, like hustle kind of team, which is great because I think it makes for pleasing basketball and they're winning with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're going to need to incorporate the talent that you do have into this current scheme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and kind of jumping a little bit to a different topic kind of, but you know, they started this game with a lineup that we were pretty familiar with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they actually started their first preseason game with Burton at the one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tip at the two KT at the three Monique at the four, tell me at the five and they actually started that game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This game with it, and it made sense because you were going up against Breed Jones and Brittany Griner to match that size.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now you go up against the fever and you go up against, I want to say,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know Natasha Howard is healthy and Alia Boston's healthy, but those are two pretty solid bigs as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Monique just played such a good game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like she was insanely good against Atlanta that I've got to imagine that, you know, because of that, she gets the nod to start again, also, you know, from a fit perspective, it might work again against Indiana.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess they did lose, so it didn't work, but that rotation kind of felt like a plus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so here's our here's our favorite new segment the quickest take.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of discussion about Iliana Rupert actually coming to the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, she hasn't made it yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you kind of have to wait to see if that actually happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But lots of discussion that she's going to make it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you'll get her numbers both in Eurobasket and in her league and, you know, double possible double double kind of player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they will have to cut one of their current players on their team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who is going to be that person if repair joins them, you think?

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[SPEAKER_02]: This kind of no good answer just because everyone's been playing pretty well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you want to make the insanely hot take, which I don't think is going to happen at all, but it's an elicini got a DMP.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been saying that it could be maybe tell bit, but I'm starting to see, like, you see what tell bit in her passing that they kind of like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you can float the options of Chen and Amir here, of course, because they were the two rest-deceasing contract players that have remained on the roster since everyone came back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you could see that when they wave Van Lu, they like chance kind of like stability, like she kind of makes the right play, she hustles, whereas, you know, the other guard and Carla Late, like she kind of feels a little wildcardy sometimes, maybe not as in control, so having a chance more like Van Lu than like, yes, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So with that mindset, you could say, okay, well, you might still want to keep Chen just because you kind of have the Carlos Lash Van Lu spot with Carla.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so maybe that leads you to say a me here and it just feels very weird to say that a me here should get cut.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Positionally it makes sense, you know, Eliana repairs coming in as a five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A me here plays kind of the four five for this team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you just think about like I guess how the minutes would work like you could say once Janelle works her way back into the starting lineup, Janelle at the four, tell me at the five and then, you know, Monique and repair all your backup four five so that kind of pushes a me here out anyways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so, but I mean, here's just been so good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even against a man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it was fits.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The athletic up and down style, that what she doesn't fit is the three point stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She does not shoot three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of what I was saying in the beginning of the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what are these team schemes that they're going over the screen on Van Lu and Carlo and they're like shooting twenty percent from three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Same thing with the me here until I feel like last night at Lana kind of figured out a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: People keep biting out her pump fake and she's maybe shot four threes this year and maybe one's gone in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she just is so quick and athletic boom right to the cup.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Easy finish.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's a really good finisher.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But once they started saying, we're have five feet of space to shoot that three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and we're just gonna take away your drive and I kind of felt like there's more not as much comfortability with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would probably bet a me here as well, but I think it's because they want to be able to play with multiple ball handlers to just make sure that they continue to get up and down the court.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Veronica Burton is your classic point guard, who's gonna start and play most of the minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she played, she only sat seven minutes yesterday, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and and then you have your backup in in Chen who plays a little bit more like Burton and then you have late who's who can do more things because she's she's fearless going to the whole so i i would say it's probably going to be a mirror is what i'm here as well

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the outside one is Talbot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was really interested because Talbot did not start against Atlanta and I was kind of interested how she was going to play and she did not play a lot either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Her line was six minutes and two points.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if that was just because of the size and the matchup or if she would, you know, Nikosai was trying out other things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they like Talbot as a four and they had to play big and Talbot isn't necessarily big.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I wonder, you know, we talked, we were both pretty caught off guard by the Julie Van Luthing and then we looked into the stats and we're like, okay, it makes a little more sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is there any other like, like, what'd it be crazy if it was Carla?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, those weird DMPs to injury to DMP to, you know, she is the youngest on the team, then, and the cosplay seems to want to try their best at this opportunity and the playoffs, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, I'm totally against that, but I just feel like I envision this future of like Carla and you stay like being like a nice one to combination from a scoring inside outside kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I would be really surprised, but you've been on this one just about how mysterious the injury is like she was I think she was a coaches decision yesterday and then Jacob Toby and Morgan Morgan Morgan said that she was another scratch and so I was like, Oh, I thought it was a coaches decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_02]: whatever the reason is is it's interesting just that there's not a lot of information out there and I know it's it's kind of feels that way with WMBA injuries like I've noticed that since following the league is it's with the NBA it's like oh the guys activated always one of your best players okay right back into the starting five yeah for the WMBA like even the Valkyries you could point to when tipays came back against New York and she got a DMP

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so it's almost like activated isn't necessarily she's been great by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could also point to the the the turn in the fourth quarter to tip A's like having like a non-contact weird injury that takes you out of the game puts Kate into it and then that's I feel like that's kind of when a lot more of those turnover started to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not because of Kate's fault, but you take away just this really confident ball handle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of it is Kate's fault.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's there's um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of situations where you can just tell sometimes the athleticism catches up to her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's got to make these really quick decisions and they're not always there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she was bombs away yesterday as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not blaming her for anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But some of these moments that I can kind of sense that, you know, she's going to struggle versus certain teams, especially with the ball handling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I will say, though, me and JJ were talking a little off pod today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we've both been impressed by, you know, Kate Martin's marketed coming out of college just like strictly three and D, that's all she's going to give you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you can even maybe say, like, more so with the three than than necessarily defense, but there's been some drives in these past couple games, especially against Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a couple where I was like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Holy, crud.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize that was in your bag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you could see that she's getting better and the unrivaled season probably helped, you know, having more of an open floor to see what you could do with your bag against these top level athletes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then her bringing a little bit of that into this season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I was just expecting her to just be bombs away the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, she's been taking her fair share of threes for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's her best talent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But like some of these drives I've been quite impressed with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Her passive thing that I like the most, you notice that she's like the main inbounder and when she is the main inbounder, sometimes they get lamps off of the inbound space.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That too in a row that they the first one was either like a foul or like redo it and they got it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So just a quick thing, and we'll talk with the all-star teams in a second here, because they just got distributed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if you read any of the reporting on the game, but Nikosay was very frustrated with the lack of free throws that the Valcarees took compared to the dream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a quite a discrepancy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, twenty-four to nine or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she hurt her point is and sometimes, you know, sometimes the the point can be well, you know, they're just shooting a lot of threes and so why would they shoot free throws like come on Bob Fitzgerald quit complaining like that's kind of what we want to watch the Warriors, but she was saying that

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were moments with with Hayes and Burton and Thornton where they were going to the cup and they were getting fouled and it wasn't getting called and I kind of wondered if it was just a Brittany Griner just being there and changing shots and when you're a referee and you're watching Griner

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[SPEAKER_01]: just turn around and all of a sudden the person who's got the basketball completely changes the way they're about to shoot this shot you just think oh it's just good defense it's her presence and um you know the vacres are the smaller team so they probably weren't going to get the benefit of the whistle when it came to you know driving into biggs and such just because of how you watch biggs play

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't really notice it while I was watching the game, but I didn't know if you noticed the discrepancy while you were watching the game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really notice it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But to push Nikase's point a little bit, points in the paint, both teams tied at thirty four.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there was, you know, it's not like a

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we don't know the different types of points in the paint.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were getting whether it was white open bunnies or easier layups versus contests.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know, but that's usually like a good way to be like, okay, why was the file discrepancy like that different.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to make the tangent a little earlier, but I don't want to make it attention.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to make it like, you know, I think something that gets pretty complained about, which is

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[SPEAKER_02]: kind of ironic coming after one of the finishes from today's game, but the refereeing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like did you see the ending to that Chicago sky, Washington mystics, where there's a foul call on Elizabeth Williams, the Chicago sky forward next to Angel Reese, and it was pretty clearly not a foul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was actually a pretty clean block, and that essentially won them the game, where Angel Reese has been very vocal about the referees of Lee.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, the people on the athletic podcast and on the ringer podcast, like I've heard it on many different podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a well-known thing that, you know, the resources in terms of, you know, getting referees.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They did the WMBA doesn't have, I don't know, have as many resources to get the better referees or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe their best referees end up promoting themselves the NBA and they lose their best ones.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sabrina had a had a comment about the jump balls that you hear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I heard that one where she said she wishes that there was a possession arrow because the

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[SPEAKER_01]: can't throw it and then it even when they do it takes two minutes to set it up and they can't get the players in the right position and so yeah, I think it was it was a shot at the at the referees there, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know what, I watch it and it reminds me a lot of college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the reasons I kind of fell out of favor with college is because I thought the refereeing was a little poor, especially in big moments where you're like, how do you miss that thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is a very important moment in the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like they were more, I feel like they were more, I feel like I've noticed more

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[SPEAKER_02]: the home crowd and like they can like if you react in a certain way you might be able to get your way especially on the coaching side like I think Carl Somesco that's a pronounce name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he genuinely like the him and the bench like changed that call like they they screamed and then the rep took two seconds and then they they wouldn't free did it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that you know I'm not I'm not actually

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, really critiquing Carl the Atlanta coach for being kind of irate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think I think the Cossacks pretty emotional on the sideline as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or passionate is what I should say on sideline as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And did you get teed up against Atlanta?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause she got teed up, um, was it against Minnesota?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was a pretty silly tea against Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe tip got teed up at somebody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she was defending tip and then you go and rewatch it and it's like, Oh, tip actually wasn't fouled or like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was one of those, but she's like, okay, she was about three times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is how I'm going to argue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but yeah, something to keep an eye on, I guess, is just, you know, they're not the referring as a whole, I guess, but kind of, but also, are they reactionary, you know, are they going to feed off of the crowd?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the homes versus the away swings are always a way larger of a market.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The collective bargaining thing, I wonder if it becomes

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[SPEAKER_01]: point in that you know and we've been hearing just through the reporting that the players are not happy with the the negotiating that they've seen so far but yeah I mean that it's it's always going to start low and you got to fight for your right to party man like they yeah I just

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[SPEAKER_02]: You think of their priorities, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm sure referees are higher priority.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But for them, it's roster space, increase pay, their revshare stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's that's the parent stuff that they want to travel with nannies and their kids and all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's going to definitely like, refereing as big of an issue as we have as fans think it to be like, it's pretty, I'm sure it's pretty low on the totem pull for the WMP and BPA and their negotiating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that should be let's talk about the the all-star rosters that were distributed today Okay, so the starters a Caitlyn Clark and Nefisa Collier did a draft and team Caitlin if you have the picks I kind of don't have that out in order don't have the order.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you do have the order.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Go for it

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Caitlyn of the first pick, and of course she went with her teammate, Alia Boston, and the Fisa with her first pick goes for Brianna Stewart.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the obvious omission is Asia, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's the best player in the league, and she doesn't get drafted first.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Notice she grew drafted second.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So in the Fisa goes for her unrivaled co-founder, Brianna Stewart with her first pick, back to Caitlyn for Sabrina Yanescu, back to Nafisa for Alicia Gray.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No Asia Wilson yet, back to Caitlyn.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For Asia Wilson with her third pick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Nefisa for her third pick goes Neca.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Caitlyn gets to go again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She goes Ryan Howard and then Nefisa rounds it off with rounded out with page.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So page was the long time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, not Ryan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm reading it wrong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Satu for Caitlyn page for Collier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so page was the last of the starters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, probably as it should be just yeah, but if she's a rook, but then again, there's never as it should be with when you have two players drafting like they're always going to draft their buddies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's never an as it should be like Kiki Irif and probably her sitron probably should have been the last pig in this draft.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, do you want me to go with the reserves?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in a second, what I, what I like about what, uh, Caitlyn did is she, of course, you're home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to take the homey and then going Sabrina over Asia with that second pick kind of forces Nefisa Collier into, um, you know, okay, you already drafted a big

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to draft another big?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting my guard and seeing if you're going to draft another big with your very next pick and she went, nope, I got to draft the three pointer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The three point shooter, Alicia Gray.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was such, that was smart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that, you know, part of that is Caitlyn had the first pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she was going to get the, you know, the advantage there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the other thing is, at least you're great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really hurt my feelings last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Geez, every time they needed a big shot,

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just have to run in the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just shooting here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Go for the reserves.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So what the reserves, Nefisa gets to pick first.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Nefisa went and took her to teammate, Courtney Williams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Caitlyn then takes her teammate, Kelsey Mitchell, back in a Fisa for Skyler digins, back to Caitlyn for Gabby Williams, back to Nefisa for Angel Reese.

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[SPEAKER_02]: then Caitlyn goes citron.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder, uh, I wonder if Caitlyn should have just drafted Angel Reese with like her second pick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would probably rather have Angel than Gabby, um, and both have been having incredible years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just, I mean, just for the whole idea that the world thinks that they hate each other and stuff like, you know, they're gonna be out here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they played really well last year in that all-star game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember when they were on the non-team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one this is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they won.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Back to Nefisa for Alyssa Thomas back to Caitlyn for Iria Finn.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Back to Nefisa for Kelsey Plum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then Caitlyn went with her last pick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's sorry, not her last pick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jackie Young.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nefisa's last pick Ryan Howard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Caitlyn's last pick are

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[SPEAKER_02]: Valkyrie, Kayla Thornton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Will you tell me that Kayla Thornton got the Rudy go bear treatment?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it I don't think as she should have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Caitlin was kind of like I want to draft my friends and I respect that, but yeah, it should have been one of the Washington rookies probably is the last pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Huh, yeah, kind of a bummer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, it's not a bummer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb made the team, but, you know, I think just the whole popularity of it, it's cool until you got to be the last one and then it's kind of mean and, you know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure Kayla, the way that she plays and sort of her personality, I think she's, she may, I mean, she may talk that into the back of her mind a little bit, but she probably knows the deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to go to summer league start Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're you're you're leaving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're recording this on Tuesday evening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you'll be back when Saturday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how many games are you going to miss?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually might go to Vegas versus Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be in town on Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That'll be me early afternoon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if I could swing it, I'm coming back Saturday night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it would all line up if I was able to make happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder how I wonder how much tickets are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I was seeing like twenty bucks for the worst seat, which in comparison.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of lines up, but I don't know like the seating and the tea mobile versus Chase like the seat count difference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last year, what I was in Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, uh, Caitlin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the Caitlin's first game in Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was I didn't go because I had to do other stuff, but it was a pretty hot ticket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would probably been, yeah, hot ticket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like two hundred to get in, I think, or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So have fun in Vegas have fun at summer league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Send me some photos or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you run into, um, if you run into Carla and you ask her about her back, you can report back to us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, yeah, so that's gonna be it from here for Brian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am double G. We will see you when we see you peace out