Tony Vitello Clears the Air & SF Giants Spring Training Battles | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_01]: with Drosion, throws to Sandberg and the pitches proud of the second base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thompson has it, throws the first, it's over!

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[SPEAKER_01]: 27 years of waiting, it's hooked on it, then you're going to have someone to put it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, it's been a little while since we've gone live on Thompson to Clark, but with the beginning of spring training, we've got to...

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... it is uh... yeah it is spring training and so we're gonna talk about all of the things that we are kind of keep it an eye on uh... as the spring is here and i guess the giants have they have a game on saturday

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they start Saturday already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was listening to Kawakami, and he was interviewing Buster and Buster's like, hey, we start on Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had to look at the schedule because I was like, well, which Saturday is already the Saturday against the Mariners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's nuts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's nuts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess they do have to start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: soon because they opened the season they're the first game the first actual game in the regular season against the Yankees on Netflix and then with the WBC and the the different spring for that I know players and all of the camps who are playing for the WBC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they had like their own like early spring training start or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's lots of things that are happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But before we even get there

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[SPEAKER_01]: We do have to talk about something that was the story of like last night in this morning, which was Tony Vittalo, he had a guess he just kind of like he had a media thing and then he was just like, by the way, guys, I'm going to change it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to ask you some questions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the meat they were like, okay, what's going on here and he had to get some things off of his chest and I kind of heard about this last night, but I didn't really dig into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then this morning, I hit a hit my athletic app very early in the morning and Andrew Baggerley had a piece.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shayne Baggerley were a little harder on Vatelo than Susan Sluster was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So from what I gather Susan Sluster really likes him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she believes he's going to be good, but also she's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is good for her job because he is so open with his, you know, the things to get off his chest sort of like this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So from what I gather, he was very interested in

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of understanding the reporting of him leaving Tennessee because he believed that the reporting that came out was disadvantageous for his relationships in Tennessee because he had not 100% decided and the story came out in his belief that led folks to think that he had

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a tricky one because if you go back and look at the reporting, I think there was a feeling that he was going to take the job, but they didn't say that it was a done deal yet, and then I'm sure in Tennessee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the media there covering the college team probably was like, oh, like, this thing is national.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This must be this must mean he's leaving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he had to answer to a lot of people before he was ready to do so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he decided to air those grievances yesterday at the press conference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my first thought was brother.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like you and I have you know you and I have worked in at different jobs over the years like used to work for Yahoo back in the day yeah imagine if you were working at Yahoo and let's say you took another tech job and in your first like three or four months at your tech job you just kept going you know when I was at Yahoo

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is how we did things, or at Yahoo, I had so many great memories there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is kind of what Vitello is doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's doing it mostly because those are his experiences.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he doesn't have anything else to rely on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can think of like Bruce Boachy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bruce Boachy could go, oh yeah, back in 84, when we went to the World Series, Vitello doesn't have that to fall back out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when he's trying to create conversation or talk to his team or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, so I, that was my instinct was like, yeah, you know, he's, he's not over the X girlfriend yet and he needs to kind of move on and maybe this was his way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The finally putting it behind him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think about that whole scenario?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I ended up watching it and and and I mean really the whole thing there are so many articles about it and so many long articles and different things said about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The whole thing was like three minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I keep going back to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's bring me training when he's up right about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me watch this 45 minute tirade that he got and then I put it on and it's three minutes and 12 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So and he didn't look mad and he didn't look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was just disappointed and I think he just wanted to air his disappointment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buster hired a guy that is going to, you know, that wears this hard on his sleeve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had something to to get out there and he got it out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I don't really have a problem with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he doesn't have the experience to draw back on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I see the comparison if you're going like to, from Yahoo to Dell, Yahoo to Google, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's going, I mean, this is like, this is more like going from college to your first big boy job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah, yeah, don't have those other big boy jobs to fall back on to say, you know, okay, when I was at I'm at Google now, but when I was at Yahoo, I did it this way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's where I can apply that not to say that Tennessee is not a big boy job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was making.

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[SPEAKER_00]: millions of dollars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, and he was in charge of, you know, not necessarily kids, but kids becoming men.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what it was in charge of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a big time job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that was his world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His world was college baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is no pro baseball on his resume.

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[SPEAKER_00]: anywhere at all, ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he even made a point to say, near the end of it, look, it's time to draw a line in the sand and leave college basically behind and say, here we are now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to get games are starting Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You and I are going to talk about some stuff that we want to see in the spring, the episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't heard any of these things yet out of Tony's mouth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the interviews, I've seen the talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He does mention Drew Gilbert played Ted Welp a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not hearing a lot about Keaton win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not hearing a lot about some of the other guys that we want to hear about because we know these guys and we know that they might have roles on this team in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I'm waiting to hear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that was a little discouraging because again, and the opening press conference when he was introduced by Bustroposi and Zach Nassian,

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[SPEAKER_00]: college talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, okay, get that out of the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because here you go, you're going to be meeting the guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be touching base with them, figuring out lineups, pitching rotations, bullpen duties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what we want to hear about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not there yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're in the first week of spring training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I'm hoping going forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We kind of leave all this behind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I see a lot of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I see a lot of the misleading headlines of does Tony want to be in San Francisco with a question mark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get into those articles or you get into those videos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the question is not answered because that question was not asked during this press conference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not what this was about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and I get it he was he was hurt and he was hurt for his team for his coaching staff for his family that that this was put out there that four or five days before he accepted the job that he already accepted the job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he just wants to say look when you're reporting on me and you're reporting on my team let's be accurate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we know that this is the day and age of not accuracy, but who can be first with reporting and we see that everywhere and every aspect politics sports, you know, gardening, whatever it is, we see it all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that this was more of a let's set the record straight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's all of the reporters who are going to reporting be reporting about the San Francisco Giants, let's be accurate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have questions, you come to me and you ask me those questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll lay it out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of felt like that's almost what he was trying to say without saying it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what trying to put words in his mouth, but I'm just trying to make sense of the strange scrum that this was and listening to Susan Sluster today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, usually this stuff is done off the record before the scrum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: off the record with reporters that you're familiar with and trust off the record after the scrum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was not done that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the media scrum presser in the dugout before practice or after practice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was the weirdness of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think I'll learn that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'll get that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this week now, because of that, this week and the first couple of games of spring training are kind of a turning point for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what direction this goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, these types of scrums and talking to the press afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what is that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like two tenths.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of a major league baseball manager's job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the important part of the other eight tenths, the other 80 percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you manage this team?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you manage the bullpen?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you manage your starters?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Line up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Base running.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the important part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I want to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not there yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is kind of all we have to go on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's why it was such a big deal in the last couple of days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's spring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to talk about something and this is what came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He made it something to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he's I think he's savvy enough to know that that was kind of going to be the top conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The the reporting, this is what everyone believes was the thing that upset him, which is a piece by Andrew Bagherley,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brittany Giroly and Ken Rosenthal and Ken was there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that's why Tony decided to choose that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did the interview with Ken Rosenthal right before the media scrum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was a little touched.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's the paragraph, the second paragraph in the piece industry sources confirmed that the giants are closing in on hiring Tony Vatelo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so they didn't have it as a done deal, what they said is the giants did not respond for comment and then Vatelo himself reached via text message said there is nothing to confirm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they reported exactly what he said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my wonder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he is media savvy, he is he understands how to communicate with a fan base through the media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But my wonder is, as I imagine, you know, Tennessee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: college baseball media where you're the king.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that was that was pretty, you know, pretty cheerleader though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to dismiss those those folks out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you're winning constantly and you kind of created this program and made it into a superpower, I imagine the the media was very favorable to him as that they should have been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So is it also that

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of like the difference in being covered in that way, versus like real Major League baseball coverage, and even the Bay Area itself, I think the coverage, the reporting can be strong, especially Baggherly, Kawakami, and Killian, Slusser, John Shay, like those are all really good reporters, but they're also not gonna take shots, unnecessary shots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Baggherly,

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[SPEAKER_01]: is such a good writer that there are sometimes subtleties in his writing that you can read into.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think there's anything really like in in his pieces where he's just like pointing fingers or anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not what they do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just I'm just still kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: boggled a little bit about what he was actually saying was not correct because that what that those sentences I read, they didn't say we have confirmed that Tony Vatelo is leaving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They said sources close that says that the giants are closing in, but we reached out to Tony, and he said there's nothing to confirm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they gave his side of it as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: to me as in my reading that sounds fair, but to him there was still something that rubbed in the wrong way and maybe it was the thousands of texts that detects that he was getting, maybe there's communication with coaches who were upset at him for not being on the straight narrow and he's like, look, I said in that thing, there's nothing to confirm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was just interesting because my worry is like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what happens if they start out, you know, 5 and 12 and you know, how is he going to tackle that kind of thing, but you know, that is something that he's going to have to learn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure and maybe he maybe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe we are over blowing this thing out of proportion, and this was very strategic on his end to go like, hey, I just want to get this out because if I don't talk about it now, I'm going to be thinking about it and let's get it out of the way early in spring training, but the like less about whether or not he wants to coach the team for me, like I don't, I don't sense that I do sense that he probably misses his old job like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you leave it for a new opportunity, the new opportunity isn't not always easy and familiar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your old opportunity that you loved was familiar, so you're kind of building new ground.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I understand that piece.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't blame him for that piece.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the, oh, what happens if the stove gets a little hot, how is he going to react to that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what his thing made me wonder about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I'm really curious about is we keep hearing that he talked to Ken Rosenthal before that media scrum, but then Ken Rosenthal hasn't put out an article yet with his talk with Tony Vatello.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to know what that conversation was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it got sidetracked because then Ken Rosenthal had to, he had to talk about Tony Clark today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That kind of threw everything off so he's got the big Tony Clark article and newspiece out there today and that's going to be going on for a couple of days because I think they're voting on a new head of the MLBPA tomorrow I believe it is kind of an interim head of the MLBPA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a wild story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it was like it was wild when we saw that he was stepping down and then when I sent you the Jeff Passen story and it was because there was information that he hadn't affair with his sister in law.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh my god, that's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was just, I thought it was a financial thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just more, but is that in that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's just wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the whole thing is just wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Tony Clarke, I think, has done his time, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been there, probably been the MLBPA for a good like 15 years or so since he retired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are a lot of good representatives out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get some older old tigers in there to run that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Get Travis Fryman, maybe he can step up and, and, and, and, and Austin Slater, I think was kind of vine to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: pretty high up in the MLBPA once he retires, but he's signed again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's back with the tigers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think once he retires, he's a guy who's very, very well invested in the MLBPA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, give me the Stanford guy to run that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we'll table the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, he keeps mentioning the, you know, his old team, I think he's going to be pretty mindful about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, he probably knows is like, okay, like I need to stop doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's we, we need to focus on the, the here and now for, um, so let's talk about some of the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: stories that we are kind of interested in following during the spring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You came up with three, I came up with three, and we'll kind of just go from there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll let you lead off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the first thing you're paying attention to?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are you keeping your eye on on spring training?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we always talk about the fact that you've got to have more than five starters to get through season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think every team is kind of at that point now, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so one of my big thing is, after our starting five, you got Webb, you got Ray, you got Roop, you got a house, you got Molly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After those five guys, you've got to have other

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know starter slash long bullpen guys who are prepped and ready to be stretched out and hopefully go four or five innings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I want to see the battle that takes place in spring and I want

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's going to be, you know, how we always have a lot of split squad games as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to have, you know, starters, I say that in quotes, because you're also going to have to have these guys are probably going to be bulk pain guys for the most part throughout the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or they're going to be AAA starters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the front runners right now are going to be Hayden Bird Song Carson, Whizden Hunt, those of your guys, those guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So last year Hayden, or the last year Hayden Bird Song, last two seasons, I guess it was,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is major league career has 37 games 26 starts in the bigs 48 minor league starts so he's a front runner car some whizz and hunt five games last year five starts 67 minor league starts after that you're looking at keeping win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 68 minor league starts you're looking at blade Tidwell 69 minor league starts Carson C more 85 minor league starts Trev and Trevor McDonald 84 minor league starts Tristan Beck 60 minor league starts and then Caleb Killian Non-Roster and VIT he was a guy that was in our trade to get Chris Bryant from the Chicago Cubs

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like well, it is he's got 83 minor league starts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all of these guys are going to be stretched out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see who becomes the front runner after Bird Song and Wizz and Hunt because again that you're looking and then now you're looking at seven starters, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to need two more guys who are going to be stretched out in triple A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, in spring training, uh, and, and, and they're going to be needed throughout the season because you're going to have dings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have her, you know, guys get hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got Malian, Houser who are coming off of, um, you know, injuries and everything else and haven't pitched a ton the last couple of seasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so, so that's, that's my number one thing to look for in the spring is, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: how these guys are stretched out, who gets to five and six innings in a start by the end of spring training, I think that's going to be the the the the the the biggest tell that we're going to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you and I, we're talking about and in our chat with both of my boys about Wizz and Hunt, and there was a story that his fastball was up to 95 in spring training.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're always like that where, you know, at the beginning of spring, their fastball should be up there and all the rest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, where are you in September?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, all good things, and he's trying to figure out whatever that third pitch is to be the out pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As far as we know, even though he was essentially a two pitch pitcher last year, the change up was still very, very good for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if he can add that third and maybe a fourth pitch that he's comfortable with,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he can get that fastball speed a little bit higher than we may be talking about somebody who, and you know, you and I've been talking about him for several years on this show and we would always said

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know he the whole key to him is adding another pitch because the fastball is not an out pitch the fastball is there to set up the incredible change up that he throws.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's something to look forward to and I can't wait to read the stories about him because I know the riders are going to be focusing on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that's the thing too, we talked about this, you know, that's kind of what the little bit of the frustrating thing is with Tony Vitello yesterday and is that I want to hear about these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to hear him talk about the starters, talk about plans, talk about ideas for the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we haven't started anything yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are no games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We barely got the coaches named, even though they've been like on the, they've been there for a month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I'm going to give it some grace because this is a whole new coaching staff, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whole new manager, whole new coaching staff, we've got to ways go, they don't know yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They need to see who's out there and, you know, who can do what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they got to talk to these guys as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, they're going to be going and talking to the new bullpen staff, the new pitching staff, everybody in kind of getting ideas of where they want to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pavlovich, where he did talk to Houser and I keep saying Mali, but Bustroposic called him Tyler Mali.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, we heard Mali from the beginning, so maybe we'll have to hear how a crew can type, say his name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and and listening to those interviews, Houser has got a great personality that's super fun to listen to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mali

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he, he may not be a big personality guy, but we know that he's a big talent guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to be the important part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His question is answers were pretty much, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it wasn't all like going on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was pretty interesting that they were some good interviews and I highly suggest checking those out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we are lucky to have so much content, like I mentioned the reporters that I read, but you know, I'm still digging the F.P.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Susan Slusser podcast, even though F.P.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is a can be our guy through and through and I, you know, I grew up there as well, I grew up listening to them and then I got to work there a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to see how the soup was was cooked there, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is, it's hard for me as, you know, because of my journalist brain is always on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even with my favorite teams, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm always looking to poke holes in like the homerism.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he is a homer third group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but you know even even as a Homer still his podcast with Susan they have really good guests on it and so so you know we have like great content to read to listen to so we're really lucky in that aspect like imagine if you're in

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a smaller market and you got like a one or two beat writers for like the entire time, you know, and I'm having a hard time keeping up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is hard to keep up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you and I use the apple news trick because it just aggregates like all of the columns together in like a spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, all right, my first one, it is related to Vatela, but not about the thing that happened yesterday, I'm just really interested to see how he

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[SPEAKER_01]: runs the spring right like this is spring training and you know he's got coaches and he's got people to kind of create the processes for him but how comfortable he feels because this is like a I imagine for his brain it's like a sprint happening for a full month and he's just run and so hard and so fast and he's got to handle the media he's got to run his team he's got to

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he going to be the same like super jazzed cool personality guy or is he going to be like oh my god like I got to be like more focused in in a little bit more button up button up I hope that he's still the same guy that he is right now because I think that's what's going to win fans over because the bottom line is we don't have to be in love with the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because all we care about is if they start the season and all of a sudden they're 20 and 10, how his personality is, we don't care.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, yes, you're the right guy for the job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because to me, if Bo Mel won 90 games, you know, as kind of old school as Bo Mel is, I'd be like great, he's funny, I love Bo Mel, but he didn't, he was 50, 50.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Capital or the one year, when they won all those games,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that's the new way to play even though we grew up where that was so frowned upon but you know captain last that style of baseball didn't last so really for us it's like what

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[SPEAKER_01]: what style works, what's going to work on the field, and then you buy into it because we're lucky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got to Roger Craig was a good manager when we were growing up, and then Dusty Baker and then Philippe Aloo, and then Bruce Boachy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have all these well-respected guys, and then since then,

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[SPEAKER_01]: outside of the one capler season, it's just kind of been like, ho-hum, and now you hope that Vatelo kind of brings it back to the stuff that we got to watch when we were younger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's going to be an exciting, uh, it's going to be an exciting view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's given us stuff already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can't say he's not, he's not already given us, uh, a little bit of his personality for this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because our what you're second one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so my second one is going to be and we're going to stick with Tony Vitello because he's the new manager and I'm a base running guy and I love stolen bases and I'm so tired of where this team has been the last four or five seasons twenty twenty one sixteenth in the majors with sixty six

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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2023, dead last with 57 stolen bases, 2024, 29th with 68 and 25 exactly the same, 29th with 68 stolen bases.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it possible that when the MLB decided to increase the size of the bases?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody trick the giants and say, they're actually smaller guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not bigger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're small.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You should not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You should run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even less than you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or bigger bases doesn't mean more base running success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, and I can't necessarily blame it on the manager or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like Tony Vitalos got to come in and magically make us steal, you know, 40 or 50 more bases in a season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: more aggressiveness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were a lot of times last year and Bo Melden want to run us out of an inning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you were down to one in the seventh inning, they didn't want to because we weren't getting guys on base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We weren't scoring runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he said, you know, if we get a runner on first base with one out, we wanted to try to move that runner along.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the type of team that we had, and we couldn't do that type of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are there going to be more hit and runs?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are there going to be more sacrifice bumps?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are we going to see more aggressive base stealing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: First, the thirds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's what I really have my eye on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'm going to see a lot of that in spring training because I remember there was one year with Bob Melvin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was his first year as Giant's Manager.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We stole a lot of bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler Fitzgerald stole a lot of bases in spring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: didn't transfer over to the majors, but you're talking about a college coach who likes to be aggressive, who likes to push the envelope and get the emotions flowing and stolen bases and key situations can really jack up a dugout.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fan base too, the fans in the stance, he has stolen base in the eighth inning when you're down by a run or even up by a run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you steal a base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that could get things going or you steal third that could get things going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, that's what I have my eye on is if I tell those, uh, a caressiveness on the base paths.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder how much of Bo Mel and just the philosophy the reluctance to run had to do with the fact that they just struck out a lot last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they did not do a lot of the small, the the fundamental things very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you if you're worried is that you're not getting very many runners on as it is and then you're striking out a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then the risk is like, okay, we already, you know, do we want to make two quick outs like that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a risk there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then knowing that you don't hit well with two with two outs, you're like, okay, like that that's like the worst thing we can do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that I wonder how much of it is that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And really they don't have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they have a lot of, you know, kind of powery, high strike out guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you want to risk William Domus, you know, all of a sudden running and, you know, this is the guy who plays all of the games and, you know, you risk, you risk him getting her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you risk Chapman getting her?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's, I wonder if there's some of that as well, because these guys are, you know, pat, you know, you know, you're, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're

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[SPEAKER_01]: not old guys necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chapman's a little on the older side, but you know, you need these guys to play because you don't have the depth necessarily to replace them like some of the other teams may have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think there's a few different reasons and then maybe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: creating the roster how they put together this roster may give us a little bit of inside scoop about if they're going to run a little bit more because also when you have younger players like a group Gilbert like a Casey Schmidt like a Tyler Fitzgerald type maybe you can you can do a little bit more with with those guys but you know do you want to run with

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... incarnacion of course you do work in a run with Wilmer so you have like you know these guys in your lineup who they're they're just kind of based base kind of guys so maybe as as the depth of your team changes as as the personnel changes maybe you can get a little more aggressive yeah and even if we can get you know twenty more storm bases thirty more storm bases i don't think it's so much

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's so much a numbers game as it is a situation game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're going to steal 68 bases and those are key 68 bases that help you win a ball game or stay ahead in a ball game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just kind of seemed like there was a lot of base running early on in the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then that pulled way back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, it could be the strike us, but you've got to rise now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got bait or you're going to have a full season of young who Lee concentrating on right field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Elliott Romus, I think could steal some bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's some key situations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, Patrick Bailey is no slouch, stealing bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's done it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I, I think there's a lot of situations where the giants could add 20 to 30 stolen bases on the season in key situations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it could just be about jumps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be about reading pictures better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be having better scouting reports and and studying pictures moves a little bit better and knowing in this situation here we can go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, hit and run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we don't get a stolen base out of it because it's a hit run, but it's a successful hit and run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see that more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My second one is the closer situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously Randy is out for probably the whole year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we can't really rely on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was in all star last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Walker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have as good of a year as he had in the past year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was even some, maybe a little bit of loss of confidence from him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw some quotes where maybe the frustration was getting to him a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this year, he seems to be back as like, I want to ball, I want to be the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my role, I can't wait to get back out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if he,

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[SPEAKER_01]: notice that, you know, maybe the confidence was a thing, maybe went to therapy, whatever it was, he came back with a different mindset.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Still, I, not that I don't like Ryan Walker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like most relievers, I think he's probably a better eighth inning guy than a ninth inning guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at this point, he's probably the best guy that they have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, they also have Eric Miller coming in from the left side, who, you know, he got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can't really rely on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we saw on the non-rosher invitey list, a guy who we've, we're kind of hopeful for and then got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know what was going on with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The giants,

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[SPEAKER_01]: unprotected him in the role five he did not get drafted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I was at say I went to San Jose to see his first start his first professional start will bednar he is in spring training and they have turned him into a reliever he is following in his brother's footsteps and I'm kind of interested in what he could bring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What he can, you know, can he come in in the ninth inning and just throw gas like absolute gas not having to worry about pacing himself and going into the fifth and sixth inning that is intriguing to me, but some of my intrigues also like I have no idea who's going to be in this bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like the options are like there's a lot like a ton of guys right like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh, man, you know, if this person fails, then you know, just throw this guy who throws 98, I mean, there's a few options, but none of them seem to be like sure fire money options, so that's why something like that, no, I'm like, oh, maybe he's the guy, so be interesting to see I would imagine that Walker comes out of camp as the

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[SPEAKER_01]: as the closer he's got the most experience doing it, but I'm interested to see what they do there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't imagine Bednar makes the team, but a good showing would put him back on the radar, which is what I want to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I mean, they kind of have their guys you're talking about Jose Buto, you're talking about Eric Miller.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, like you said, I'd

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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I happy with any of those guys being the eighth inning guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, not really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Randy Rodriguez thing is such a bummer because I think he's he would have been the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they would have really featured him as the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They would have prepared him to be the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That did hurt, that threw everything off 2027 is the bullpen's going to look a little bit better just because he's going to be back, possibly the end of 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, you know, starting his throwing program in March.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, there's a possibility, we see him at the end of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not he's not going to be the same guy this year, but then with another off-season throwing program, certainly get hopefully get somewhat of the same guy back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: even though in our group chat, I was calling him a thinning Randy all year last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, but he's what we've got.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, all right, what's your last one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my last one is the fourth outfielder battle I know there's this is what everybody wants to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and spring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't traded for, or no, they signed somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they signed Will Brennan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was with the Cleveland Guardians last year, a big contact guy, can play all three spots, has an option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the key, because Luis Mottos and Herrera and Cardinal Sion really don't have options or out of options.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming the way it's probably going to go is you're going to see Luis Mottos battling for that fourth-out ppl spot, probably going to be awarded it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will Brenn and most likely will be the guy who starts in AAA because he's got that option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Luis Machos has that kind of power speed combo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has a contact guy as well, but he can be a power guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if he was if he started every day, you know, for a different team not in this ballpark, he could probably be a 20 plus home run guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say Cincinnati Pittsburgh somewhere like that, but not in San Francisco at Oracle and not with the guys he hasn't front of them So he's probably going to be your off the bench.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Make some contact drive the ball into the gaps BSB guy Herara and Karnasioan has one he's kind of a one trick pony he's power guy and he has no options

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you stick them on the bench and have them be a DH guy or a pinch hit or late in the game and and just take away all versatility.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you do because he's kind of a right filter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what he is he's a right filter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: DH.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Drew Gilbert another guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can start in AAA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's more of a speed contact guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good fielder Tyler Fitzgerald another option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been working in the outfield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He gives you a lot of

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[SPEAKER_00]: lot of versatility because you can also play second base, you can also play, you know, maybe some short stop if you needed him too, but he could also play all outfield positions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then like we said, Will Brennan, Grant McCray is the other guy and he's a speed guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he, I believe he still has options.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he can probably start in AAA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's going to come down to Monto's and Carnacione, possibly Fitzgerald and Brennan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I wouldn't be shocked if coming out of spring, Luis Monto's is your fourth outfielder to at least start the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Carnacione gets either waived or traded to somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's going to be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would see how many of bats these guys get, what they look like, numbers don't always tell in spring of who's going to win a job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be more what are they doing on the field, what kind of adjustments do they make, what kind of guy they are for the clubhouse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're, you know, luckily, we're familiar with all these guys except for Brennan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it was the coaching staff and so it's a bus symposium.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he knows all these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be a really interesting fourth outfielder battle and maybe you have five outfielders.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's Luis Montos and Brennan and Fitzgerald because Fitzgerald can also play the infield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're going to have Casey Schmidt as your super utility guy who could play all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So would you at all be surprised?

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[SPEAKER_01]: if Drew Gilbert and Blake Tidwell made the team simply because part of coaching is understanding your players and Vitalo would understand those guys more than anybody else on his roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder if the familiarity with those guys helps them make squat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like you said, like the options thing is probably the key for the outfielders, but I do wonder about that part of it

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[SPEAKER_01]: like he has seen what Drew Gilbert can mean to a clubhouse, sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he also probably understands what Drew can give him in the seventh or eighth inning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he may not understand what Luis Modso could give him in the seventh or eighth inning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of wonder that

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[SPEAKER_01]: part I should have mentioned this in my vitalo thing about how he's he's going to handle his spring but I'm kind of intrigued about that because you know you kind of joked about it where he keeps talking about his guys but maybe he's doing so purposely you know maybe he's like these these are my got like like I know these guys you know

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that that's a good point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be shocked if Tidwell made it because they're they're going to need some long reliever guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is Bivins going to be around?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It can blade Tidwell take the place of Bivins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is Bivins going to be a six in the inning guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to limit him to one inning last year, you know, last couple of seasons he was used just like a two three inning mop up guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But could could Tidwell be that guy because they can get him again, keep him on a three inning

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so I wouldn't be shocked about him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be shocked if Drew Gilbert was the fourth outfielder and Matos and Karnasio and we're both gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be, that would shock me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't shock me if he kept.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Montose and and Gilbert.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see that you have five outfielders, but I can kind of see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only problem is those guys can't play anywhere on the infield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if there's going to be a fifth outfielder, it's going to be a guy like Tyler Fitzgerald who couldn't also play the infield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would be completely shocked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if Drew Gilbert started the season as the fourth outfielder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to see him this year, but I would be shocked if he started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the best thing for Motto and Karnasione are to just tear the baseball off the tire of the cover off the baseball because not only does that help them in making the team, but it also helps their trade market because that if they, if the giants don't have room for them, would you rather be traded or would you rather be waived?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You would rather be traded?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so NASA's fans, we'd rather you be trained because we're going to have to get an return at least a little something to return.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that is the best thing for both those guys is just to hit the hell out of the baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, my last one, and then we'll get out of here is, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: we're always interested in prospects, you know, like Ted well and Drew Gilbert that they're not kind of like the upper echelon prospects, but they are young guys who we are watching because we're hopeful that they can actually be additive to the spaceball team, but there are other guys who are much younger and who are on

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[SPEAKER_01]: Prospect lists who will not be on this team this year, but they are in spring training.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is Park's Harbor in Bo Davidson would be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I can't imagine they're going to be there for long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully they get some early ABCs and we get to see something, but also Bryce Eldridge because

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is not a given to make the team, I don't think, because he also has options, and it may even be better for him just to play everyday in AAA and get some time at first base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I can't imagine they wanted to play the outfit, but I know he did, he did have to take his outfit love out there, or I think his mom had to mail it because he didn't have it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so she had to send it, but, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is an important spring training, of course, it's important, but it like last year, the expectations were very low when he was in spring because it's like, oh, yeah, like this kid will be here at some point, but now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is some expected like, oh, is he going to make the team or not?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's, you know, is he, if we'll Clark was in spring training, he was making the team no matter what, like, is that Bryce?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I, I am, I think we're all watching him very closely, but also the other guys parks and, and Boca's, those guys are a little bit less on the radar, so I think it's their opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to make some waves and to just kind of get Giants fans excited about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, yeah, watching watching any prospect of the Giants in spring training always gets as excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes too excited because I mean, Bryce Eldridge, remember he started out hot last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're like, oh, is he going to make the team?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, but then you got to remember, like, hey, this guy hasn't played above double A. Yeah, so we just don't do that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is with the San Francisco Giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We make sure you get through double A triple A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe even we might even work you into the ground before we get you up to the majors like Luciano and then just nothing happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but but yes, but we watch this stuff, you know, like hawks at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, oh, you know, the price elder to the home run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now this year of price elders starts out hot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know there's a very good chance he's going to make the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a little bit more exciting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But guys, like, you know, Davidson that just fun to watch and see them in a major league camp, but we know that they're not going to break camp with the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they did, it would be a complete and utter shock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just watching them and knowing that this is the future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That that's pretty fun and exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, we've seen photos of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've never seen them with a uniform on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've never seen how they run, how they swing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I would have no idea what their swing looks like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Before we get out of here, what do you think of the new spring training hats?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're wearing orange uniforms this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the uniforms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the jerseys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always wait for, you know us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're hot guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I always wait for the spring training hats, because last couple of years have been really awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw this one, and I was like, I don't think I'm going to get this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the cactus on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a little too much for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not something that you could wear and like July.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like some of the spring training hats that I have from the years past, you could wear those in July, August, and it just looks like a giant set.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is too much like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a flowery cactus on it, you wear that in July and you're thinking spring training yeah big time spring training and it just doesn't mesh well with me, but yeah yeah well we will have some baseball to watch this weekend actually I don't know if we'll be able to watch it they I don't know if it's on TV or not, but at least they're playing probably not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, on occasion, I think you can catch this stuff on the MLB app.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are some spring training games, sometimes that you can catch on the MLB app, especially if they are playing against other teams who are televising, I think our MLB.tv subscription goes through like the middle of March.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we see a PSPN running that service now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've got to look, I never know this stuff until it actually starts and then I get excited to go, oh, look, there's a game on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, they fixed this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll be back probably next week, especially if there's some good stuff to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's what are we like a month away from actual games?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I believe March 25th is Giants Yankees opener on Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Five weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 25th I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I believe it's around the 25th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll be in Disneyland at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cruiser on watching standing in line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Waiting for rides watching Netflix on my phone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that is it from here, so for Brad, I'm WG, we will see you when we see you peace out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peace.