Team USA vs Venezuela WBC Reaction & SF Giants Injury News | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're back to do a short podcast for Thompson Clarke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We promised after the World Baseball Classic championship game in which the United States lost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They needed Joe Boo or something because they're fast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Their bats were in a slumber led by us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The sleepyest giant home runner of all time air in judge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know who they needed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Luis a rise yeah and Venezuela had Luis a rise man that guy was putting them all in play clutching up to to get up a rally going after the game was tied in a ninth inning and then they wasn't a massive factor in last night's game but leading up to it in every game that they played he was getting a hit he was making a play at first because he played first base for them which he'll be playing second base for us

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jose Bouto last night had a key, a key inning of relief.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and he has all pretty much the whole tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's good for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the good thing on the giant side of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got a couple guys coming off of W that are, you know, a championship that are riding high and played really well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, we'll talk about the game a little bit more in a second, but what I wanted to mention before is you're going to be out next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think my buddy Draven's going to come on and we'll do a little bit of a preview for the giants and the Dodgers and also last night we recorded Brian and I recorded a pod hollow we have a new strategy with that podcast covering the valkers in the WMBA and it was a great timing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because the WNBA just signed their CBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the season will get going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be an entire off season truncated into less than two months, which is going to be maddening and crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so we recorded last night and I was like, you know, I have a prediction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if they can get to this number, I think this thing will be done and when thing came out, it was like, yep, they got to that number exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what they got done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a March Madness bracket going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can look on our socials on Blue Sky and on Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll see that you can find all the links in our summary on the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to join the Tournament starts Friday, so get your bracket in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've kind of opened up this discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the discord is named after the Valkyries podcast because I think that's where our growth opportunity is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a Thompson to Clark channel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you are a Giants fan and you want to talk Giants space, but we are a week out from opening day here,

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: had to get the business out of the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about this game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Venezuela goes up to zero on the U.S. And all of the chats that we're having and other chats that I'm in, it's just like, man, Team U.S. say, just do something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just get something going for gosh sakes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bryce Harper steps up the plate to run Jack in the eighth inning to tie the game at two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and you were thinking at that point you're like okay like finally we got we got some energy and then you know Aaron judge goes and looks at a two-o hanging slider in a three-one fastball in the happy zone and it just looks at him and he's like no I'm being a little picky here and then I think he like grounded out or something but you know what the problem with this game is if you watch it from the US perspective like the bats were just silent like Joe Davis the announcer

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was an interesting one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot who hit a ground ball to second base, but he said something to the effect of and it's a gently hit grounder to second base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like you gently hit, like the worst thing you could possibly do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you want to hear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, man, how many gently hit ground balls have they hit in this game?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know what, like, did you see anything?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like Venezuelas pitching stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was the one thing that maybe was there, the thing that they weren't great at was on the starting staff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yet, there we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're mowing us down and the bullpin outside of the one home run to Bryce Harper's mowing us down and the closers ending the game by throwing 100 miles an hour to strike out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the last guy who struck out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, who was an Anthony, I think it was Roman Anthony, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: May have been, may have been Roman, but yeah, it was just like, man, like, what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I was unbelievable, like, did, who's silent to these bats?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I, you know, one, that was part of the story as well as you got into the later rounds of the WBCs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just Team USA just couldn't score runs and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't make any sense based on the lineup that they had put out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had all these mashers that a couple table setters off the bench, bringing in Pete Crow, Gunner Henderson was off the bench hitting well and still they couldn't do anything yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's kind of the frustrating thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the two the two players who led

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[SPEAKER_00]: The United States and the entire tournament at OPS were on the bench.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you just mentioned, Gunner Henderson, Pete Crowe Armstrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, everybody was, you know, Cal Rally, Cal Rally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't done Jack the entire tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got nine at bats, the entire tournament, struck out five times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had to draw some walks at four walks in the home run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it kind of feels like

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[SPEAKER_00]: The lineup that was put out there yesterday was basically the three true outcome lineup right that we always talk about in baseball the three true outcomes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: walk, strike out home run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, and that's what you get from that line up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and again, I'm going to talk about Louisa Rise again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hit, uh, you know, over 300.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, he had 10 ribs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had two home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Louisa Rise had two home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he was getting on base, uh, a couple of walks, uh, during the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, those are the guys I think when they put together the team next time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I was going to have Aaron judge and and without Aaron judge, I don't know if you have any of these other guys because they all said when Aaron judge said I'm in, we all kind of followed students and we're in also.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the best thing that he did was recruited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did hit a baseball very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He recruited very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, was that the best thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, punching Judy lineup, the rest of the way is just, again, you got guys like Kyle Schwarber.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not known for hitting 300.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's known for hitting 210 with, you know, 40 home runs in a season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, in a short tournament when you're pressing and you need to get on base and you need to get hits and have people on base to score runs, that's not happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have that type of build on a lineup built around you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was kind of frustrating to watch and knowing that you could put together a little bit of a better lineup, a little bit of a better roster, but you know, when the next tournament rolls around, if we're still doing this, which we still probably will because that's only three years from now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be, you know, we're going to be, we're going to be

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[SPEAKER_00]: really going after the next roster saying hey do you remember how it was last time when they put this team together and yes you can get through pool play and yes you can be the Dominican Republic 2 to 1 because you had some good pitching that night and some lucky umpiring

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're lucky on par, but you had Paul schemes on the mound to start, you know last night you had McClain who did a good job?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean he did a good job and he pitches for the mats and he's a young guy and we only knew who was only going to his rehanies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, you're talking about an tournament at March.

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[SPEAKER_00]: bats aren't quite there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I'm not making excuses because, hey, Venezuela has got a couple of giants on the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm happy they won because we've got a couple of guys coming into camp with their gold medals and they're going to be, hey, we're ready to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's roll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's keep this thing going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A very excited to see Luis arise in a full season at Oracle Park playing for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I still think the roster could have been a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be fine seeing some guys that can put the ball and play more instead of, you know, 200 hitters who hit 40 home runs a season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Judge, Kyle Schwabber, seven ABs, six strikeouts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were all, you know, we were also robbed of Corbin Carroll because of this injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't get to do it in Corbin Carroll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the type of player that that I think this team was almost at the Giants for missing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're missing Corbin Carroll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the USA is missing is that type of player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two, two or three of those guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so early in the season, you're not going to see those guys in spring training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in a spring training tournament basically because they've got to get ready for 162 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if there's any inkling of them not being okay enough to play, they're not going to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that changes the course of the tournament, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you said, having the big dump her on the bench was fine because he was not hitting at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, what would it be here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What inning was it when Will Smith came up to the plate?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I forget what inning it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was the, okay, was the seventh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the bottom of the seventh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The US is still down to zero.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Schorberg swings out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Breggman grounds out Roman Anthony walks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you're like, okay, we've got a base runner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Will Smith comes up to the plate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have a guy who had 60 jacks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sitting on the bench.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed to me that that was the perfect spot to run him up there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, maybe he's hurt, I didn't hear anything about him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of interesting that they just went away from him completely because going into this WBC, he was one of the guys you're like, oh, he's playing, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so instead I'm playing instead will Smith who's a dirty doctor, which is part of the reason why I don't like him, but he is not the guy that on the other team like Venezuelan like their fans are not like

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, oh, we'll spend, okay, like, you know, we'll be able to get this guy, but if it was rally, then we're like, oh, oh, this is the guy, you know, do we walk him like what are we going to do like that kind of thing and he's just there and, you know, we've been making fun of Dorosa because he's kind of a meadhead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that is the type of thing that to me, I was like, this is kind of an easy move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are we doing here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you need a two run homer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have a guy who led all of baseball in homeruns, and yet he's on the bench.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you worried about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: the eighth inning or the ninth inning as far as catching guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can he not catch Tyler Rogers?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, you know, it's not like we'll Smith threw out the kid who was running in the ninth after a rise walk to like we'll spin didn't throw him out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you roll it could have done that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the kind of stuff where I was like, hmm, this is interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I was to call back one moment, it would have been

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the eighth, Bryce saves all of us in the eighth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the ninth inning, you get a rise leads off the inning and Whitlock is pitching for Team USA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe the best AB of the entire world baseball classic, a rise is just like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm skinned on base dude like you know by hooker by crook he walks and then Sonoha runs for him steel second and then Swara's doubles in Swara's pointed to the sky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There must have been like 15 Mississippi's you could account.

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[SPEAKER_01]: look at up at the sky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You saw the bench.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys are running off the bench.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're celebrating like, and, you know, I was talking to some folks who were like, man, Tim, USA is not is kind of joyless out there compared to these.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, because we have the world series, like we have the world series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they get jazzed about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you go back and watch, the blue Jason, the Dodgers, you saw that same emotion, that same joy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the U.S. for for those players to care about the more or give them more incentive to win for them to care other than just like hey we just want to be have a have a team out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was kind of disappointed in how the the end of the game happened because it's right you had the momentum and then you just gave it right back and you did nothing to stop, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, man, if Kai Rodge comes in, gets a pop out and gets the Perez to fly out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he did his job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, when Perez hit it, uh, to end the, to end the 8th or to end the 9th for for Venezuela, like the way that he swung.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, OK, people are going to think that he hit this ball a lot better than he did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I know who's pitching here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This ball's going to be a medium-fly ball to one day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's exactly what it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's because we know Tyler Rogers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Team U.S. say, congratulations to Venezuelan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a fun tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, you know, it wasn't without drama because of Durosa said, you know, I would love to come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no in hell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The students coming back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[UNKNOWN]: God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Go back to the MLB network and continue to do your job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, even if you won the whole thing, I think we talked about this on our last show, even if you won the whole thing, I don't know if he's, I don't know if he's coming back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there were just too many things, because if they would have locked into a win, late in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, lucky, lucky into a win would be you keep the same line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got the line up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You start with, you don't make any pinch hit decisions,

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[SPEAKER_00]: not because you made great pitch hit decisions late in the game or great pitching decisions late in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just because you've got judge and sharper and those guys in the lineup, that didn't happen, but even if that does happen, I don't know if he's back, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and even if he made great pitch decisions, I don't even know if he's back because I think that

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[SPEAKER_00]: that whole, you know, Italy debacle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's hard to overlook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I mean, you could say, well, it's a learning experience three years from now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He will have learned from it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe, but, but again, there's other people out there who can, who can manage a team, who can take a team like this of, of all stars, and, and, and again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Were there a lot of players that chose to play for the United States because Dorosa was the manager?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they chose because Aaron Judge was going to do it and they wanted to play for their country.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's it, but if you can have an added factor of somebody like a Bruce Boche in three years or not, yes, I know he's going to be like a point, but still if you can have an added factor like a guy who's one three world series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, four world series, but I always forget about the Texas one, but he's going to vote.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have an added guy like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: than maybe, you know, and, and who knows, three years from now, there's going to be, you know, there's going to be some guys who quote unquote retire for managing as well in our Don, but they've, but they have a winning track record and, and I think that might be more of a draw to get guys to play, especially if they played for that manager before, I think that could be a big factor in three years from now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Imagine if we get to the end of the season and the giants are tied for the last wild card and Patelos like, oh, we don't have to win this game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got the run differential to find you would be back next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, last couple things for we get out of here and we let Brad

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[SPEAKER_01]: get ready for his vacation here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Parks Harbor, who was in spring training and who is going to be somebody that the giants will keep an eye on and you should keep an eye on too as far as looking at your prospects, he's going to be out for a month to possibly more after he hurt his hamstring

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[SPEAKER_01]: for his minor league season probably closer to a may come back for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Hayden Bird song, we talked about him and his UCL, UCL sprain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is looking for a second opinion, which he should, of course, he should.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is his career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's looking, you know, is there anything

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[SPEAKER_01]: he has a great to left hamstring strain, which we, I think we may have mentioned it, but he's continuing his rehab progression.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And those are the latest things for the giants, as we get ready for opening day in a week or so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So a week for us, a week in a day for the other teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just to think that the super, I feel like the Super Bowl just ended in here we are, you know, about seven days away, as we're recording this from the Giants and Yankees playing a game, that matters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's nothing better than, honestly, there's nothing better than the entire baseball season, put the first couple of months of a baseball season, especially when

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[SPEAKER_00]: new players on your team, finish 500 of the last couple of seasons, nothing better than the first couple of months to really dig in, analyze what's happening, see what trajectory your team is on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for for Giants fans, I think this is a very exciting next couple of months.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so Brad will be gone next week, but he will be back and we'll be able to talk about the beginning of the season and his Disneyland trip and all that stuff and I would like to wear you to see you in a few weeks as well in JJ and I head out to Rick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right, you guys are coming up here and when I'm in in the parks,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wednesday, uh, when the giants open against Yankees, I will absolutely be weren't at least a giant's hat, um, because I don't know, those, those, those of you who go to Disneyland on the regular, you know how many Dodger hats and Otony jerseys that you see, it's, it's insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to try to cancel that out a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is it from here for Brad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm WG.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you when we see you piece out piece.