Jonathan Kuminga Traded! Kristaps Porzingis In & Giannis Dreams | Golden State Hoop

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we're getting right into it on Golden State hoop, let's hit the death line up immediately because the big news is that the warriors were not able to trade for a

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[SPEAKER_00]: what was the flirt of all flirts and then at the end was like, now we're good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're keeping them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll figure it out in the summer and then I saw Janice texted her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He put something on Instagram about attracting people to Milwaukee instead of being attracted to other places.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So after all is said and done, we talked about this all last week, the pipe dream

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[SPEAKER_00]: putting was super realistic, but at least being mentioned in the whole thing was was fun for a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But ultimately, they did not get him and I think, well, I want the warriors to be involved in these kinds of discussions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You do feel a little bit like, well, we put all of our hope and prayers into one thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That thing didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you feel deflated after.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about who they actually did trade for in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: discussions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It came to nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is your feeling of it as the trade deadline passed?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it was always more likely to not happen than, you know, to happen, you know, I, there's all those, it was like the polymarket and the calcium or it feels like you can like, like a prediction market that you can bet on anything and like the stuff's weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like it was always, you know, it's always more likely that the super star player stays, you know, at their current place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I want to say it was last podcast that you can kind of compare it to Dame Lillard where it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he wants to stay in Portland.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to stay in Milwaukee, but the team's just not competitive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he felt like he needed to go somewhere else, but he also doesn't want to disappoint the hometown crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, I feel like it was, you know, it's not just a Milwaukee bucks thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was also very largely a honest thing where he was kind of flip floppy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he thought he was ready to move, and he thought he was ready to go to a new team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, he's been in Milwaukee's whole career and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think although Milwaukee didn't like the offers date that presented to themselves with, but Yanis himself did not say that he wanted to go to a specific team and I think that complicated things and I think that, you know, the Yanis rumors from Shams don't just come out of thin area.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the report was I literally have it right here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The report was two time MVP Janice had the decoumpos ready for a new home at the February 5th NBA trade deadline and that was reported on January 28th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that doesn't just come out of thin air unless Janice himself sends it to Shams or Shams gets it from Janice's camp.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that, you know, Janice being flip floppy is probably to be expected a little bit, but also a little annoying and a tease at the end of the day, but again, not

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[SPEAKER_01]: not likely that, you know, the warriors were going to end up with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Although it was, you know, looking good in terms of, you know, their chances with against the other teams, but overall it's more likely that he was going to stay in Milwaukee and that's what happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, this, this season is kind of, it was, it was relying on a, on a, on a, on a, on a size to move to, you know, remain relevant and try to compete.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now that that's gone, I think, you know, we're back at the same place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were once Jimmy went down and it's, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what else you're going to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So so the flip side is you run it back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just go, okay, we're not making any moves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you do what Milwaukee did with the Which is let's see if we get some better offers in the summer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we thought that's what the warriors were going to do with Jonathan coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they did not do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They traded Jonathan coming up and buddy healed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for Christophe's porzingus, this Christophe's porzingus has played 59 games in the last two years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's currently out because of two or an injury and an illness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I know the latest report, Anthony Slater, said that he still has to go through the Rick Celebrini physical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but the idea is that maybe he would be available this Sunday against the Lakers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, we don't use your record on game day, but the outcome of tonight's game against Phoenix is like almost unimportant compared to the news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why we're recording.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think about the warriors?

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[SPEAKER_00]: decision to trade coming a now instead of trying to recoup something in the summer maybe trying to utilize his up in his trade value like we talked about a couple of weeks ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I kind of think this was realistically that the most, I didn't think they were just going to get anything from him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I kind of just thought he was a salary filler and for the honest thing, like he's hard to even convince yourself that like he was a prominent piece.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to that trade like the he had no value it was essentially the wiseman thing where it's the wiseman gets flipped for four seconds that gets flipped for GP two it's like that's that's the trajectory this was heading in this whole time and and curse that it perfectly where it's like

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, they were trying to win and his development got stalled because of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it's just kind of the situation they were in, nothing against Kominga.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's situation there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then now he goes to an Atlanta team that quite frankly, I don't think he fits on that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that, you know, that was kind of the story is like, that would be what our podcast was about every single week and, you know, in the free agency it was every single week was about Kominga and then in the warrior started off kind of nice and and then, but once they started stalling again, then our podcast kind of became about, oh, how are they going to flip this Kominga salary if they didn't trade them that's what our podcast was going to be about every single time was, oh, it's Kominga straight value going, I'm happy he's gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to talk about this guy anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The content.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What about the content?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Screw the content man has been annoying not his fault, but I just two months by the way, we might have a better content idea, though, because your your video of who can beat you con is like the fourth most viewed thing that we've ever done, so it's kind of funny, it's like 30 seconds at the end of the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually got I got three minutes out of it, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay, so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The idea of bringing poor zingers on feels a lot like the trade for Chris Paul.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In hindsight, the trade does for Chris Paul.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because at the time we thought maybe they were going to be do it be able to do something with him or with that contract and they didn't he just left he he they couldn't do anything with it and so now with this porzinga steel it's it's an expiring so it it it almost feels like he traded coming and buddy healed just for $30 in in contract in space now

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[SPEAKER_01]: 30 million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 30 million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the buddy healed contract in hindsight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're getting out of that thing because they would have had a couple more years with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I will say there was a partial guarantee on it that I learned about yesterday that I did not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In my head, I think Camingo was at 22.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buddy was at nine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buddy had another year at nine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the following year is at 10 with a player option.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a $3 million partial guarantee that if they waved him as late as

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[SPEAKER_01]: the day after the draft that he would only be on the books for three million dollars and then he'd be wave.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I probably probably what they were going to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So essentially all you're doing is saving three million dollars because you know that coming on Buddy Salary was basically the same of the Chris Dev Salary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So essentially you're just saving yourself three million dollars next year because that you would have cut him before that partial guarantee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: trading coming in and buddy healed for free agency cap room is is what it looks like because now we'll see if presenting a place like I said that the report is that he is going to play but if you hurt or if they decide that they're not going to bring him back

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then it's a giveaway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's your trading coming in buddy for nothing, essentially, just for space on the cap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So $3 million, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you look at the trade from that perspective, it does look like a washing their hands with coming in now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me read the current quote that you actually talked about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Curse said, uh, I think it was a tough situation for everybody, given how raw he was when he got here and given we were still playing for championships.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He needed the runway to make more mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He needed the experience of being in the NBA and understanding what it was about for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very tough not being allowed to make those mistakes for us as a staff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was tricky trying to develop him while we were trying to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's as simple as that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody liked him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I liked him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a really good guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very personal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like to the locker room, just to fit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I buy that, I buy that Steve Kerr believes that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were some very app apps though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you talk about, we couldn't, we didn't give him the space to make mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why not?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the warriors were very average in some of those seasons, or straddling the line between average and possibly decent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there were some stretches, man, where they were they were not playing very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I understand, because I think Steve truly believes that

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think that this team was win in 50 games every year to where you're worried about the difference between a second seed and a fifth seed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like these were moments where these guys were struggling to make the play in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, in hindsight, it doesn't feel like it was always that cutthroat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I know that something we've talked about and unfortunately Anthony Lam is always the name I could think of because I remember saying like you know what's the difference if

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they gave Anthony Lamb a lot of run and he did quote-unquote the things that curl likes where it's kind of a hustle guy and knows how to get the ball to Steph.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the win loss difference if you had just never played Anthony Lamb and instead Moses got those men and so instead coming a got those men.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the difference of four games?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it like what realistically is the difference?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know we debated that and we didn't really come to like a clear difference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think we both thought that it wasn't by that many games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in that regard, maybe they should have played him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: more and it's always going to be a what if because I think there were moments even with per were is like okay that's what made you you know sit him like sure I get that the style doesn't fit but like there were games where it looked right and then that's why you sit him but at the end of the day Steve occurs not perfect but you know there was a he is a winning coach he's not he's a playoff coach he's not a developmental coach like he came into the lawyers with playoff with championship aspirations like there are coaches that are

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're for the developmental process and then they'll go to the playoff coach once they feel like they've reached that status and we'll go higher someone else Steve is not a developmental coach you've said it to where he's really good on a game to game level in a playoff series of making the adjustments to make that that's what have the edge in that playoff series that's what they were going to be this year the bet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was that in a seven game series, they would be able to figure it out, but in an 82 game season, they're so old that the biggest worry is just making sure that they have those guys ready by the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now with with Jimmy out, like I think that's out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they don't have the talents to do that, but that was your bet and that was always going to be our bet and why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they did it year after year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They went into Sacramento in one game

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[SPEAKER_00]: they went into Houston and wrapped up that series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is actually

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ada, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is, that is proof there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the 82 game season and the hurdles and the ups and the downs, that is, that has not been there for today in the last several years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And having to always look at the trade deadline to be your solution is not always the greatest thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to, you know, something greatest thing for organizations to go, my gosh, we got to come up with some miracle at the trade deadline in order to be the team that we want to be like, you know, you should have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: these moments where you're bringing up the young guys, you know, to to be better players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're you're bringing in your dance and you melt into to help your team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, you if you need that Hail Mary player, you have the draft capital or the pieces to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they never seem to always have those things connect in one place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like you've said, the the actual, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, these players better piece of it, the young players, that just has not been there these last several years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I agree because if they had taken the 82 game season more seriously and there's only a certain extent that you can take it seriously when in reality it's just you have these older players and you're not willing to play the younger players and develop the younger players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you end up as a six to nine seed every season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so like what if, you know, the regular season was, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: a better outcome they took advantage of it more maybe you don't go to seven again Sacramento maybe the first series is against a more favorable Sacramento was it was probably the best team to play against and that's here in that year but similarly Houston was the best team last year too yeah I guess I'm not I don't entirely know where I'm going with this point so I guess I'll switch it up in the idea of like yes but I think it's more of an ownership front office miscalculation where Bob

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like a heavy influence from Joe Lake up, you know, went against.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the sauce.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They went against what was working.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they thought that the dynasty years were over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they tried to go for potential projects.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wiseman, Kominga, Moody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the three you can look at and say those were the the high upside guys that don't you know, they thought it was over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't forget about trade lands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's the other bay area team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joey Bartard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joey Bartard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, this is a bad area for developing talent, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but what I think what I was going to say is it was a miscalculation there because, you know, they thought that they thought the dynasty era was over and they went for these project players when, you know, you would always get called back to, well, you know, Haliburton was someone who Kurt liked it and they could have gotten him in a later pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Franz was someone Kurt liked, Traimer for you, you know, just like these guys who would have fit the sauce, who would have fit what they were, they've been doing historically that, you know, they went against

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[SPEAKER_01]: these project players and they have a playoff coach that is just like, you know, you could, you could have maybe seen some of this stuff coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know you could have seen how bad wise men ended up being like, that's a little unlucky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that you could have seen that that that's just unfortunate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How his career has ended up like is like, that's like you roll the dice 10 times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like that's the worst dice roll that could happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's actually what his career turns into be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right and and so I guess all what I'm trying to say is like I kind of put a some although I know Cursed in perfect and he's he's not you know Doesn't make all the right calls, but I think that you know something I always say I feel like and maybe a leadership position is KYP know your personnel and I think as As a GM as an owner you should have known that you know Cursed is not going to put in the time to develop these players he's he's going to go He's going to rock with what's been working because they have one

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[SPEAKER_01]: When all those stuff was being all those picks are being selected, you know, you have three championships, you have one of the best players in the league, I would have I would have went for you know guys who could have helped the current system and set of trying to like half in half out of what you know was was working and what the sauces and I think the 2022 championship should have been like the indicator of like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we still got it like a badge in the value of Kominga in 2022 with the value of wise men in 2022 like he would have gotten a lot more return back but the warriors have a problem I feel like with acknowledging a sunk cost and they'll just keep letting it sink and sink and sink and sink and then at some point you just cut your losses, but you know you see some of these other teams like Shakat like Detroit this was you know year three of the jade and ivy experiment and it kind of just was

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[SPEAKER_01]: just got hurt for a year and you know, another better player replaced him and they cut their losses quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Jared McCain year two, 76ers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jared McCain was a top three rookie of the year guy for like the first two months of basketball and then he was out for a season ending injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They give Vijay Edge come and they go, okay, Maxi and Edge come.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are our guards at the future.

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[SPEAKER_01]: McCain's really good, but like he could just dwindle on the bench and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I like get all though that's not the insanely high value.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more than, I don't think you get a pick from coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't get a first run pick at all for coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got expiring money, which isn't, you know, the worst, but could have been better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And how much of that was holding on to these prospects, how much of that is because you're having hands on owner who thinks he's a personnel guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure a lot of it is, I think Joe thinks he's money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Joe thinks he has the the mightest touch where everything he touches turns the gold and that for sure could be a problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can, I can understand that it could be a problem, but isn't the the role of the GM to like kind of try to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: played a both sides owner and coach and ultimately do what you want to do like isn't that supposed to be the makings of a good GM and how Bob, you know, was really good with with relationships, not as good of a transactional base guy, but I don't know, don't leave he has, I think, don't leave he has been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at all of his transactions, I can go through this really quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been a guy who hasn't taken a swing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's something I've judged because I have a lot of King's friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's something I judged previous King's general manager, Monty McNairowith, was that you look at his draft history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And although he had some good picks, it was all very safe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was all these older players, Tyrese Halbert and big, big.

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[SPEAKER_01]: awesome pick he was a junior you know the kings had just had had missed out in so many of these project based nineteen year olds that they were like okay now that we got this new GM in like let's let's go for these older picks so it was caliber and it was Davian Mitchell it was Keegan Murray it was a Devon Carter and the consistent thing with those guys is that they're all like twenty two years old coming into the league so you didn't want to go for these busts you wanted to go for these guys who could you know contribute right away and

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[SPEAKER_01]: essentially done leavey's the same thing is draft history is Pajemski trace Jackson Davis Quentin posts Alex Tui will Richard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like a good amount of those picks and I actually do think that those picks are more Recognizing that hey our coach isn't gonna play these young players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's let's give them you know these players who can play now I think this has been pretty solid picks, but you even look at you know some of the actual trade transactions that he's done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was let's get off a pool

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, with Jermon and pool cannot play together anymore, we need to choose one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get off a pool and, you know, let's get Chris Paul and return.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that, you kind of had to, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that there's no, that's not a ballsy move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You had to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With Jimmy Butler, awesome, awesome swing as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't give up anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's, there's, there's, it's not light years in a way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it, it, it, I think, gimmick getting Jimmy Butler is a really good thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I, I think,

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[SPEAKER_01]: These are just kind of, these are almost just like good moves that are almost presenting itself on a platter to him in my opinion, like they got Jimmy Butler for nothing, they got off a coming up for nothing, they got off of Jordan people for now, but it was also like the third scenario that they wanted because they didn't get KD, which was number one, right, you asked me what is the GM's job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for one to stay employed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is, that is number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is what this deal reminds me of, which is if you're done leavey, this enables you to take another swing in the off season because you're going to free up money or you're going to bring porzing us back at a

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in a sense, what done Levy is doing with the roster is enabling it to be flexible enough to take another shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But those shots seem to be getting smaller over the years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the window is closing in us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The opportunity doesn't seem as big as it was, which actually is surprising, because this Yanis one did feel really big, but we also didn't really believe that they were in the mix.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really, like it was a fun thing to be a part of, but if you were to ask, you know, gun to head, no, there's no, they're not gonna get hit more than likely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, done, done leave is doing the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, as long as we have an opportunity, I can have an opportunity as well to to make some he's giving himself time to do something else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But also, that's why I thought maybe coming will was going to stay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because you talked about this sunk cost thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is something that they've been really bad at because the owner is just in love with these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I figured, okay, well, if you want to appease the owner, you keep Caminga and then maybe that pushes Steve out the door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and so then maybe that's why you don't keep coming it is just the idea that the risk is maybe Steve does hang on longer if you don't have coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's lots of there's smaller moving pieces to this thing that will see happen in the summer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, does that mean Steve's going to stay if he doesn't stay, would you have rather had coming a still on the roster like there's going to be lots of things that that we'll be able to talk about when it comes to that okay, but before we actually talk that there's a small little WMBA conversation will have but before we get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does, do you think poor Zingus fits next to Dramon, the way that they're trying to sell us that poor Zingus could possibly fit next to Dramon?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but I think it just goes back to like, how do you judge stuff where it's like uncertainty and hell status where it's like, it's the same type of uncertainty as like if they got Anthony Davis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, on paper,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, like when they're playing, it looks great, but you know, you look, you said, I think Chris steps is game history of the past couple of years, where he's played what 17 games this year, played what 40 last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it is just a matter of

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[SPEAKER_01]: health and I mean, I don't know as a warrior's fan, what I should be rooting for, I mean, obviously, you want them to win, but it's like, do you want Chris Dabst to play well so that he kind of plays himself out of a potential warrior's contract or do you want like, what do you want?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he's an unrestricted forage and after this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't entirely know what to be rooting for because if he plays really well and demands a big contract, guess what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want the lawyers paying him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has injuries like history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what happens when you pay the guy and then you know, you just so happen to get him on an auto port or junior like season where it's like injury injury injury, one random good season, injury injury injury injury injury injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't I don't entirely know what what to be rooting for, but I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, this is kind of what we've been waiting for for a while is like if you ever seen that meme or you're not, you're not really into, you don't know Pokemon like that, but there was this meme that was like Charmander, Charmillion, Charizard, the evolutionary chart of one Pokemon, and it was, uh, it was Shengun to Sibonus to Yokech, because it's like just the younger versions of each other, but they evolve into the neck, and anyways, this, that's the whole, that's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, Sharon, who is the final 3&D center, the room protecting center?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, um...

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think on paper, it makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I could see it like looking good because I think that or for Dramon connection kind of started to really look good, although, you know, Dramon's offense has been pretty roughly, but that at least pairing has started to look good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I imagine that the Dramon criss-steps pairing will undoubtedly look good too if he's healthy and playing, but I'm just conflicted about what I root for as a warrior's fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I, if I want him to play himself out of a potential contract, and if he does, then I, that I don't want the warriors to pay that, you know, what might be a larger amount, I hope what I think what I want is I want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of course I want Chris to take a pick that I wanted to be like I have this injury history and you know because of that I must reality anyway it's right it might be his reality anyways like no matter if he plays well or not he's just he will be able to pick

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[SPEAKER_00]: his two for 20, wherever he, you know, two for 25, whatever it actually is, he'll be able to choose the best fit for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe some of it is, where's the best place for my medical?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like is celebrini actually, you know, a good bet for him, just to be on the roster with celebrini.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And how and how celebrini looks out for the players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, there, there is a

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you don't have Jimmy and you're waiting for Jimmy to be back by next year, Steph, do you waste a Steph season knowing that they're probably not making the playoffs?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dramon is maybe the single worst really good player in non-meaning or in meaningless basketball games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Chris, you know, do you waste the tread on his tires for this season?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And do you just

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are we going to see a lot of BP or we're going to see a lot of pods?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are we going to see a lot of will Richard?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you just put Alhorford on ice and say, hey, man, like if you want to come back next year, like I don't I don't know what his option stuff is all about but You know, we'll have a spot for you because you know, unfortunately we weren't able to run it run it the way we wanted to but we'll run it back next year This couldn't oh yeah, I mean get something we talked about

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, it's it's something we talked about before the honest potential trade will request is is that my question is I guess to Steph go for it considering that he could, you know, he's nearing the end of his career and he's playing like an all NBA player would he just be down to shut it down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and for from an accolade's perspective, just kind of miss out on something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much that means to him, but I mean, this is, this is, this is what we've been frustrated about is that this guy is, you know, closing in on the age 40 in like a year or two, and he's playing at a top 10 level and, you know, we're just like, oh, let's give you expiring money and we'll try again in the off season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know who the actor is, you know, the overall

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's him being tied to Dramon right like that they just this week finally talked about trading Dramon and Dramon himself is so valuable next to Steph, but I don't imagine he's as valuable next to, you know, another air or another team like he's just so valuable in this structure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I wonder what his value is like across the board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I wonder if, you know, the Lakers would be like, yeah, you know, Dramon is valuable to us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We would actually give you X for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably a specific, you know, Dramon can be very valuable with somebody like, jaw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think Dramon could actually get something out of jaw, just the way that Dramon plays basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: who like he could would dream on be happy playing next to Luca.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I can't imagine he would, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like someone who's just so bald dominant, Jeremiah will just end up hanging out in the corner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just like watching threes bounce off the rim and get back on defense like that that's essentially what he would become so it's it is interesting that you know part of the reason I think that they've been unable to reinvent this team is because this step and dream on to some has just worked so well and you kind of owe it to both of those guys to keep them happy because of what they've given you in the past but

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[SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, now I was watching this 49ers documentary rise of the 49ers Tom Brady's production company put it together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of bill wall stuff and I'll just was the proponent of Get rid of the guy a year to early rather than a year to late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The, what years are about three years late on Dramon as far as the apex of who he was, like it on a Bill Walsh lead football team, like Dramon would have been traded instead of Jordan pool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's how Bill Walsh would have handled that situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But basketball's a little different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you just come off of, you know, winning this title and, you know, Dramon is so smart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you got to Guadaland veteran laden and you want to make stuff happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's only 12

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, 14 players, 15 players on a team, whereas on football, there's like 70 players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just a little bit different, but you know, the warriors are kind of paying for the loyalty and making sure that the Bay Area fans, you know, appreciate their vets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have this like San Antonio Spurs model of like Parker, Genoboli, and Duncan, all kind of growing old and aging out together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were bad for a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thankfully, they had quiet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The warriors just don't have the quiet part of it to reinvent the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll we'll just be tracking how this thing goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they do tank, this is not going to be very fun to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually hope that they do play some competitive basketball and you know, maybe they can sneak into the

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[SPEAKER_00]: the year back to zero.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where you're just like, okay, maybe we should shut it down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll keep we'll keep watching that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's do one more thing before we get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll just quickly talk about the latest WMBA and players associated, players association meeting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say for the first time, I'm a little

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[SPEAKER_00]: without this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I know Caitlin Clark was on TV and she said that she's confident that they're going to get a deal done in three weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but the players wanted this in-person meeting with the WNBA officials and they get there and we saw the video of like Kelsey Plum and wasn't in the feast so they were trying to get to New York and the weather and they couldn't get there in time and so they have this meeting and I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: this is like they get there and WMBA has like no alternative plan or they have no proposal for the players and the players which is like okay this was such a waste of time yeah the WMBA has the leverage officially they have the leverage now so I don't know you know that they're playing this like really silent stance and I think it's working I think the players are getting frustrated they're not playing poker anymore like they

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a feeling if one side caves in, it is going to be the players right now as far as the landscape is concerned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As the last card they have to play just like getting to that 99% line of like where we're you know, calling for a stopage of play and we are going on lockout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's like the last kind of card it seems like they have to play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking to one of my friends

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[SPEAKER_01]: the other day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it kind of feels like they have lost that momentum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I'm just judging it based on vibes, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just it felt like on my Twitter timeline, there was just more people outspoken about like how the leagues doing these players dirty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, more people in support of the players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But as this is dragged along, and I almost feel like that was the intention by the league, by the owners, dragged this out, and eventually people will stop caring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of feel like that's where where we are right now, where

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know the the fan support behind them is kind of dwindled not because of lack of caring but lack of just like okay like this is just taken a while and so I kind of feel like the last move they have to play here is is to just you know is to initiate a lockout and I don't totally know how how that works you probably have more insight to that then I would actually be the teams locking out the players the players could go on strike

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, though I don't know if they, is it technically going on strike if the deal is up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the terminology, but the next step is for the league to go, okay, we're not negotiating in, you know, the way that we want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thus we are locking you out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot use our facilities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're, um, I don't know if the, like, the insurance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that works like all these things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that you get for being an employee are on hold until you come to an agreement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, do come back and they agree that, okay, we are going to have a season and we're going to have to truncate all of these things that still need to happen like free agency, the draft, all those things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they just let's say in two weeks or let's say in a month, they're like, you know what, we're going to figure, you know, we have agreed to a deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People like you and me, we're back, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, oh, yeah, six, you know, everything's back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is such a great time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to lose us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who they might lose are the people who whose interest got peaked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're like, huh, Portland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, Golden State year two Toronto, this is kind of interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This looks like a league on the on on on on the up and up, but what happens is when you are no longer the hottest thing, people are finding other things to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the opportunity because right now what the WNBA as a league,

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[SPEAKER_00]: should be killing it at should be getting so much fan interest is in the marketing, because of free agency, these two new teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the 30th season of the WNBA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever marketing they were going to do for that, with their TV partners, with the teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you saw the, um, there were those, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: those video when the schedule came out, the schedule came out and all of a sudden, you know, the Twitter accounts and stuff we're seeing content from them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But those Twitter accounts are dormant right now because what are they going to tweet about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not even sure who's going to be on the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can't really do a lot of player centric stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the locker is kind of have been doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like tip A is in town for the Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's KT and they're just like doing some content and it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, there's a season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so that is the thing that they're losing out on, it's just they had some momentum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, so if it comes out that they do have a season and maybe the viewership takes a little bit of a step back, that is the fans actively saying, you had me,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then, all of a sudden, you allowed me to enjoy other things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And really, what the WMBA needs to be doing right now is going, like, all of you new fans who have been here for the last two years, we welcome you, and guess what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are going to feed you more because we know that you are here, and we want you to tell your friend,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and your family and get them but right now they can't say any of that stuff because there's nobody that like what are you gonna tell them to do yeah come come back

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then, oh, sorry guys, lock out no season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Season's going to start three months late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever is going to happen, I think there was an opportunity when they said that they were going to reconvene at the beginning of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they had locked it up, I think they would have been fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now we are in the first week of February and the players seem as digested as ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that tells me,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that the ownership are actually winning this this poker game right now, which is unfortunate because I want, you know, and by by winning by the way, even even if the players are losing this deal, they're still coming out on, you know, much better than they have in the past, it's just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they had they had some leverage and it looks like they've taken a step back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So can they look themselves in the mirror and go, guys, we lost this fight, we have to accept this and then we have to improve the next five years and come back to the table and just be ready to forget what we're again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of, I don't even think they like really overplayed their hand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of just think that the other side's operating and maybe not the best of faith.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The t-shirts to get this

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[SPEAKER_00]: that you had the t-shirts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You had a lot of the, you had Nefisa Collier calling the, you know, the, the woman who runs the league, what did she call her like just said she's really bad at her job like they were vocal and trying to use the public.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the public is there for them, but it is still a small group of fans, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like the NFL, which has the largest American fan base, like if you had that fan base and you're doing this stuff, I think it would have worked because, you know, there's so many of them, but they're still pretty small.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that that stuff was necessarily a mistake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it created awareness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you like your plan should be Pass with the OS

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[SPEAKER_00]: now we're getting public and then plan A, if this works, then what do we do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Plan B, if this doesn't work, then what do we do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like the player's association had some sort of processor or plan, but there was no immediate like, okay, this is next.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like here's where we're going next.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, maybe they do and maybe this is part of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that maybe part of it

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it just it feels I mean it feels it feels like they've lost a lot of what they had going back six months.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean I just don't think they were like really operating under like the guys of like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like we're just trying to score an extra basket in the other team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think they genuinely felt like they had, you know, the means to or not the means, but they had the right and they had everything was, you know, everything on paper said that they should be getting what they're requesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think they were like, you know, we'll do the pass, which you owe us thing and if that works, it wasn't like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just I think I almost think they should go on strike and I think that, you know, maybe the fans that they lose, I don't imagine that's, you know, the fans that they lose, maybe are, are we talking about the Katelyn Clark crowd that came in for Katelyn Clark?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Guess what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Katelyn Clark will be playing basketball again eventually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a lot of people down the pipeline that are, you know, it's an exciting league and you still have juju coming in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have all these players coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I, I think I'd almost take the bet and go on strike and and see, you know, really get what they feel like they're owed because

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they might have also lost the public support once, you know, the public realized how criminally underpaid they were in terms of like the services they outputted in terms of like how much money they were generating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, okay, you're making $67,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think once the, you know, it was like, oh, they actually are going to start making $250,000 for, you know, the players that were making $67.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, then I think you started to lose some of like a little bit of the public support.

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[SPEAKER_01]: think I think they should.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I just I wouldn't be as worried about the fans losing interest because I think that there's it's an exciting league that those fans will be back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if there are player fans, then that player will be back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then more players will be coming into the league that have a stand-based kind of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm I play personally, you know, I'm not worried about

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the last card they have to play and and you know that did you see what I guess some of the stuff that came out about that meeting that Kelsey Plum and a few so went to where it's like the WMBA put like a proposal like oh we'll give you a free league pass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like insulting they're like legit like we have the advantage now like this is we're being we're like mocking you like we don't go for that screw that we'll give you all a copy of NBA 2K.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's like at the level of disrespect that it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we're using your likeness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will give you, I'm sure you don't have the paper it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We won't give you access to our facilities, but we will give you a free pass to 24 seven, not allus and you can go work out there with the normies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It look, I wish we had more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish we had more insight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: into these talks or more transparencies because then we could actually see what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am just basing it on what I've seen historically over the years, like, you know, if I was them, I might call up Andre Aguadala and go, hey man, like, what advice would you give us right now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Andre is the thinking man's professional.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he has had

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[SPEAKER_00]: at a player's association.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, CP3, I know you were the president prior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what would you advise us?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys went all the way up until December before the season started one year because you guys held out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And see what historically has happened because NBA players and especially African American players historically,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had to hold out for a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had to say, hey, the all-star game, the one game in the NBA that was gonna get televised, no matter what, we're not gonna play this game unless you give us x, y, and z, and that's how they use their leverage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In those moments, I don't think the W, I don't think the current product has those moments unless, again, and I brought this up before many times,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless Caitlyn Clark went on TV and was like, you know what, we're not playing like we've done everything we could possibly do in these owners are just not like that they're not coming in in a fair way, but Caitlyn Clark also knows that her fan base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is a little different, like you said, then the normal WMBA fan base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she doesn't want to alienate those people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that is their card to play, which is that Caitlin Clark card because she has brought more fans to the TV sets than anybody else in recent memory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think she wants to be the

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, the spokesperson for this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's so young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's got a great future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's got a great brand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that would be the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's unfair to put all that pressure on her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that would be the thing where you might get because of that crazy fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we see it in a small way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time we we talk about Caitlin like the Caitlin and page debate from last week, I had to answer 30 comments from people who were like, I can't believe

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[SPEAKER_00]: dismissive of Caitlyn and thinking that she's a terrible player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what do you mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, for giant Caitlyn fans, we love Caitlyn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you said we really get those comments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You said that page was way better and that she did so many better things in Caitlyn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like, okay, you even verbatimed the conversation to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It does not say that anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like these people are passionate and by the way,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like answering those comments because it tells me who's out there and just the fact that people, you know, comments shows some some engagement, there, there were, I think we're all people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, you don't expect, you're like one of the only people I know that, like, will put together like a, you know, a relatively thought or full response to that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they just send it out into the void thinking no one's ever going to respond.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I want them to keep commenting because I'm sure it helps with engagement on the page, but also we're so small so we need it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will go at the Dodger fans though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will rip them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will rip them because what the Dodger fans don't understand is that they make Dodger posts or clips is because I know the Dodger fan basis is so reactive to that stuff that they're going to come back on our thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't mind it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I follow the Dodgers pretty closely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyways, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, that's the one thing that they have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to use it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They shouldn't use it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Be unfair to Caitlin for her to be kind of like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She also doesn't have like that mindset.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't have like that that union mindset that man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She wants to who she doesn't care about any of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, I mean, that's something I think you can critique her on as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think, you know, I wish more people, you know, care about this stuff and stood on business like, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's not everyone I guess just, you know, some people have just not had to worry about stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all right, I hopefully will see some sort of new information about it, it doesn't sound like it right now, but maybe it's happening in secret and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all right, a lot of what the Warriors talked a lot about the WMBA stuff will be back it by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't even imagine you're going to watch the Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're so disinterested in both of these teams, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually going somewhere for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually been great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't even say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Superables in Santa Clara, but they're doing all the damn events in San Francisco and San Francisco decided randomly that they were gonna have the best weekend of the entire year weather wise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, all these people came and now it's all these comments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least on my Twitter, it's all these comments about basically bar stool and NFL guys being like, wow, I thought the city sucked, but this is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, no shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what happens when you just consume the Fox media stuff and you know, you just tell you that it's just this homeless,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, rotted place and it sucks here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, no, this is one of the most beautiful cities on earth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's something I've been preaching on this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's something I said in the you stay interviewer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, this city reminds me of like, some of the most fun European cities that I visited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the few cities in America that I feel like kind of does that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, now they come and now they see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like a blessing and a curse because I like the positive PR spin on San Francisco, but at the same time, these aren't the people I want here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These are more of the people with the alienating,

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh mine sets that you know I just don't I don't I don't get with so you know the sooner they're out the better but I'm happy that there's more of a positive PR spin in San Francisco maybe we should just go and screw with the city again to keep their rent prices lower.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched three movies in the last couple weeks uh with that we're based in San Francisco

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[SPEAKER_00]: So much different city, but still very recognizable as San Francisco, Mrs. Doubtfire from 1993, still very recognizable and a basic instinct from gosh 1992 or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I watched some San Francisco movies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: San Francisco, I'm still knocking out like the heavy hitters for SF movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a, there's this letterbox list I found and off the look for it on that list because this I'm just going off of what someone made and it's the Alfred the Hitchcock movie what's that one called a vertigo vertigo I thought that was one of the better movies I've ever seen in my life and zodiac are the two that I've seen and I want to see Dirty Harry zodiac haven't seen that one before you know Dirty Harry was kind of loosely based off of the zodiac killer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: didn't know that, but I know that there's a dirty hairy scene that's at Washington Square Park, which is, you know, I guess I don't want to dox myself, but I live relatively near that, but in a lot of the zodiac scenes, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like I've been to every single it was nice because I've been to every single one of those places and I'm very familiar with, you know, 80% of the places they went to so that I think that was cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we are starting to talk a little movies in our discord too, so I'll if I can remember I'll put a link to the discord if people want to come through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking, still talking, Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a discussion today about the European teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking warriors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every warrior's news that comes up in E49.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's news in E9, Giants News.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're on top of it all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we also talked about the NBA and the MLB and the NFL too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is all happening in our Golden State hoop discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For Brai, I am WG.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you when we see you peace out.