Dodgers Sign Kyle Tucker: Why Are the SF Giants Staying Quiet? | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_01]: with Drosion, throws to Sandberg and the pitch is crowded a second base, Thompson has it, throws the first, it's over 27 years of waiting, it built on it, then you're going to have someone to put it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brad, it's been a little while since we've talked to the giant, so it's time to be back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm excited to talk about what we have missed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But before, I do have to get your temperature gauge here on the ramps, heading into Seattle this Sunday for the NFC title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I'm,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel better than I do going into Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I didn't feel too great about that game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Either did this staffer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, no, I'm going to be able to plant my foot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Am I going to sit on on?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was so much with the rush and everything else.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A blitzing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Chicago is not a huge blitzing team, but they brought the package and McVay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: just took a really long time to figure it out, which is kind of frustrating because usually he's on it, but I think the cold got to him too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He kept talking about after the game how cold it was, so I think that affected him also.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I feel, I feel like it's going to be a game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, we always say this every year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's always, you can pick one of the ASC championship or NFC championship games and say, I think one of those is going to be better in the

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[SPEAKER_02]: because that's kind of how it ends up being.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it'll be exciting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's Rams would be a really fun Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want part three, I definitely want part three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want revenge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to win against the pads finally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pat Seahawks could be interesting, but it could also be a defensive game, and I don't think anybody wants to see the Broncos and Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though I think... Oh, Nick, I'm not sure people want it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because Super Bowl, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Drake, we're gonna make it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Stafford would be awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that sucked for Bo and Nick's, by the way, to get that, and then to get hurt kind of in a flaky way that's not for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to talk about the giants who haven't done much, but stuff has happened in baseball that we should talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so let's kick it off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers, we were kind of wondering how much they were paying attention to this Kyle Tucker Mark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're always looming in the background.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the thing about it was that I was kind of comfortable

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[SPEAKER_01]: Be sure they were not going to be in competition for him on a long contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The seven year, ten year kind of deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't seem like that was really what they were going to be involved in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was very much afraid that if his market fell, and it was like a two or three or four year deal, that they would be involved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's more towards what they want to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, I thought, well, maybe the giants will be involved because they were kind of against

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[SPEAKER_01]: these long contracts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want all of these guys to get old at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have Chapman and Adamus, both kind of growing old and not being as valuable and you're paying them a ton of money, both at the same time, it's not gonna be great, but you add two or more guys to that same timeline and it probably really affects the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I get that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when they sign Tucker to essentially what is a two year deal for like 120 million, I'm going to guess that unless he gets hurt, he opts out, then the average is ridiculous, but you're not on the books for longer than two years in his prime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I feel like these are kind of the deals that the giants need to be competitive on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Kyle Tucker, team for team, if he gets that same deal, who's the picking is, of course, picking the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is picked the Dodgers in that scenario.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was actually

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of disappointed that we didn't hear that the giants were involved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe they weren't involved because they knew that he was not interested.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's possibly the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then there was another deal that happened where Boba Shet signed a short deal and we have this like kind of no it was kind of have this hole in the infield and we could have used a really good infielder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it didn't seem like they were involved or in competition for that either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First, let's talk about talker to the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not great for us because we don't want to see the Dodgers keep adding players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what do you sit with this one and how do you sit with it from the perspective of like competition and whether they should be getting all like where's the rest of the team's toning up the money?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why are the Dodgers the only one's toning up the money for guys like this?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I think I was very frustrated at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought, man, this is super frustrating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then you start to look at his numbers and then read a really cool article from, you know, Sarah's on the athletic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Basically talking about anybody, you know, cops, Kyle Tucker in the past.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me see if I pull up the article real quick because it was really interesting, cops to Kyle Tucker in the past and him going

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, past the age of 28 and what those Compt players have done in that time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Really kind of sets the bar of, you know, maybe the Dodgers saw, maybe everybody else saw that we don't want to give this guy too long because they kind of fall off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, his defense of numbers have clearly fallen right quite a bit over the last couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that and that kind of factors into it because when you when you look at it, uh, of course, I can't find it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I read it today, you know, it was right there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see if I can find it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I'm not coming across it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, yeah, so guys falling off after that age.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, defensively, because when you look at mokey bets too, he compared mokey bets bat speed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so mokey bets bat speed last year was low because he had the illness and he had a hard time coming back from that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they're also showing charts that

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[SPEAKER_02]: bat speed dramatically drops after the age of 31.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, his bat speed, Kyle Tucker's bat speed has never been fantastic, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been good and it's been in the, you know, the above average, but never great or not, not like Aaron judge bat speed or anything like that or one soda.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's already 28 years old, so now you're looking at the fact that that's going to start to tail off as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, so owners were looking at seven-year deal saying, you know, I don't think this is anything we can do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why the Dodgers could go in for that, you know, basically two years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, if Kyle Tucker falls off and he's not otherworldly, that's the other thing too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was good for a four-war last year, not like a five or six or seven.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if he falls off in the next couple years, the Dodgers are on the hook for two years after that for another 120 million.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to pan out 120 million in 26 and 27, and then possibly be on the hook for 28 and 29 for another 120 million.

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[SPEAKER_02]: depending on how that goes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But there were cops to him that if his bat speed does fall off and he becomes average and becomes any less of what he is now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's looking to be past the 28 year of age of guys like Nick Swisher and your pain.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm 60 million a year to be Nick Swisher.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, it was a really interesting article I enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of good numbers and things in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I feel better about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's probably going to have a good season, of course.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to have a good season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think what helps too is you're in that lineup.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're a part of that lineup.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to be the guy in that lineup.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just have to kind of hold your weight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You've got to be one ninth of the lineup and be yourself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if Kyle Tucker was two years ago, anything close to that, then he adds to that lineup.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now you have a dangerous outfit during the Dodgers lineup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think one of the big things about it is

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[SPEAKER_01]: on average as the highest paid player in the game, and he's really like their fourth most important player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like had the giant signed him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we don't think that there were there was even talks there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There didn't seem to be any competition for him on on this side, but he would have come into camp.

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[SPEAKER_01]: as the best or second best player depending on what you think about he or diverse, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a different thing where if you're the giants, you're like 60 million as a lot, but would we pay him if he was our best player?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers are like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to pay him, but he's not going to be anywhere near our best player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where the competitive disadvantage, it seems for the rest of the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to zag on that, though, because I am a fan of the Golden State Warriors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what the Golden State Warriors did fantastically in 2017,

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[SPEAKER_01]: is they found the loopholes in the collective bargaining agreement and they found the opportunity in how the shared television revenue was going to grow and they were able to pay Kevin Durant to come to the Warriors for two years or three years, technically they

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the time, there was this cry of, oh, this is unfair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do they do this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, they get the best player, this and that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now basketball is very basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can add a best player in the league and you can just win the championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In baseball, it's a lot different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in this sense, it feels like the Dodgers have figured out

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[SPEAKER_01]: these different loopholes in the current CBA and for some reason none of the other teams have figured out how to do any of this now I don't know if it's because they're not

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[SPEAKER_01]: ahead of the game like the Dodgers are maybe they don't have as many smart people maybe the market is a little bit different uh... but they had we know we all had the same opportunity to sign autony and it seems like the giants and the blue jays were very willing to do what the deal that he wanted and he was able to choose the Dodgers

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[SPEAKER_01]: But since then, getting autonomy and then having this pipeline to Yama Motu and Japan and Roki Sasaki, maybe the giants are doing that in Korea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's kind of a little bit of like their wealth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't do Japan, maybe we can do Korea with Jung Hulian and who all the guys there will see if that actually, if that actually comes to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I don't fault the Dodgers as much as I fault all of the other teams for just allowing it to happen, like everyone sees this happening, everyone sees the Dodgers moving and shaking and you have 10, you know, 30% of the league who does not give a crap because they don't even really care about winning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's up to the other 20 teams or the other 19 teams to go, hey,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like we need to be ahead of the game like these guys are also going to leave us in the dust.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't understand how they've allowed the Dodgers to leave them in the dust.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, market, you know, but New York, right, New York's right there with L.A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's opportunity there, but yeah, I don't know why the Dodgers were able to find the holes in the CBA to their advantage

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[SPEAKER_02]: right and and what was the what was the rumor and the blue jays offered Kyle Tucker ten years three hundred and fifty million you know and that day that's a big chunk of change but when the Dodgers come in and say well we're going to give you an AAV of 60 a year instead of 35 a year I mean you'd be dumb not to take that right especially when you can you can you can

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[SPEAKER_02]: to get 120 out of the 240 that the Dodgers offered in two years, and then maybe wrangle yourself a 10 year or $350 million contract after that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that the Dodgers

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[SPEAKER_02]: can offer 60 million a year can can every team offer 60 million a year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean for two years as the seller cap, there's no salary cap, but I mean can they in terms of crowd draw?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, let's say Cincinnati offers him two years, 60 million or two years, 120 million, 60 a year and then he's a free agent again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if Cincinnati, I don't know if Kyle Tucker's the guy to get more people in the seats and possibly get into, you know, deeper in the wild car route, deeper in the playoffs than they were last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if Kyle Tucker is that guy for them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But again, for the Dodgers, they can do it because they already have the revenue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They already have the people coming in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They have the contracts with Japan advertising contracts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They have a lot going for them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They've built an empire.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, I think, don't lean out 60 million a year for a guy like Tucker is easier to do than any team in the majors.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if the Giants could.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, looking at the giants, I don't know if they could because they don't have that outside revenue or they just haven't built it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing other things like, you know, real estate contracts and whatever else it is they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's also a lot of teams right now they're kind of gun shy because they don't want to give out a seven or ten year deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The blue days were willing to, but I don't think many other teams are right now with not knowing what's going to happen next year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If there is a salary cap, and it does come into play, what does it do to current contracts?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's up in the air right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So without having answers to that, if you're a team like the Dodgers, you can say, well, here's $60 million to them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a drop in a bucket, not a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because they just gave the Edwin Diaz the bag, and they can give anybody else the bag that they feel like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if they wanted to sign Framber Valdez to a five-year

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, five year, 25, 30 a year deal right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They probably could.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They'd have the money to be able to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's because of all of their outside revenue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, take this with the Green of Salt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was not a business major.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the business side of baseball is still something that escapes me, where the money comes from, I get it, it comes from butts in the seats, it comes from advertising, it comes from TV revenue and that's the big thing for the Dodgers as they just have a giant case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that one too and Scott Boris says well that we don't need a salary cap we need everybody else to have the same TV deals for money to be coming in that's all based on market too right it's based on right Tampa Bay is not getting that same TV deal that the Dodgers are getting in Los Angeles and this is the what what the MLB is trying to do is are trying to pull together

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[SPEAKER_01]: all of the rights of all of the teams and sell them as as deals, but if you're the Dodgers and even the giants, by the way, the giants have a really nice cable deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they, they are not going to be interested in pooling with the, with the MLB.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, unless yeah, I don't know how the MLB is going to be able to do that because you have the Dodgers, you have the Yankees, you have the red socks, uh, the giants and some other teams who actually

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[SPEAKER_01]: very popular team in their local area, whereas some of these other ones, like the diamond backs, like their cable deals not great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're like, yeah, like we'll sell our rights back, we'll have MLB sell it for us and see what we can do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the one thing that you said that is part of the deal for some of these smaller market teams is that they have no idea

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because of the possibility of there being a lockout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the Dodgers are sitting in a place where they're like, well, we can take advantage of all this indecision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because it's to our advantage for these teams to be so gun shy, because we don't have to necessarily worry about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have, you know, they're paying more than, a lot of teams payroll just in the taxes that they have to pay for going over the top level of the current,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, the current top of the salary structure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're able to pay it, which is good for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think some of it, and they're taking advantage of this worry and the funny thing or maybe this is irony or maybe this is just evil genius, they are the reason the biggest

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and we'll talk about this right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's do our bitter Giants fan segment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't done this one in a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this whole idea of a lockout is based on the, is based on the Dodgers being able to make all of these moves with other teams not feeling like they can make the same moves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For one, the show hey deal was a backbreaker for a lot of folks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of these teams who are like, well, yeah, if you're the Dodgers, then you could defer all this money because you know for sure that you're going to be fine for the next 15, 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned Tampa Bay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have no idea if they're even going to be the same owned by the same people in that time frame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dodgers have fantastic owners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say giants have OK owners, but I'm less confident that those guys are the right guys

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the idea is, the Dodgers are at an advantage because of their market, because of who owns them, and because of their ability to tap into these loopholes, like I said, because they have more money to be more risky than some of these other teams who don't have the same money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: or Milwaukee, those markets, even if you draw, let's say that they all drew the same amount of fans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say the brewers, the Dodgers, the rays, and the Diamondbacks all drew 3 million fans to the park.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers probably would make

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[SPEAKER_01]: 50% more money from their ticket sales just because they can afford to charge the highest price is possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that is an advantage of being in the LA market, being in a market where you have a lot of people who have a lot of money and who are willing to spend money at the same time as part of their entertainment budget.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The idea that the

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ownerships are unwilling or maybe they just don't care as much and that's the other thing is how many of these ownership groups

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[SPEAKER_01]: even care that much to compete with the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they want to win the world series that badly?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or are they okay, just go in 81 and 81 and just being a part of the league or as the Dodgers clear they are like, this is winner bus for us and we are treating this business like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of these other teams, like if you're the Oakland A's, do the Oakland A's care if they win 65 games?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no proof to me that the Oakland A's give one crap if they 100 games or if they lose 100 games and so if you have teams like that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those teams are easy pickings for the Dodgers because you go, okay, we don't have to worry about competing with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So cross them off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so how many teams do you really have to compete with for some of these guys that you really, really want?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you don't care that the A's are able to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, grab some sea level free agent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You only care about these five and out of these five, there's only three teams that you really have to outwork to get these guys and that and that's how they look at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, one more thing and then I'll let you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then the idea is is that the end of next year we'll see if the Dodgers win their third world series in a row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were lots of people saying this year that the best thing for the possibility of collective bargaining and not having a lockout was for the blue just to win that did not happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's say we go into next year and the whole thing is like, well, we need a salary cap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you watch that Montreal Expo's documentary on Netflix, that was what the 1994 strike was about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They lost the world series and they came back in 95 and guess what they did not come back with salary cap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it seems like we are now 30 somewhat years later and we have the same problems and I don't imagine we're gonna have any solution to these problems.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man, so much in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What do I start?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We start with the A's because I kind of stuck on that one too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know what their business plan is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not quite sure when you watch that team and you watch the club operate, especially in limbo land right now in Sacramento.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But one thing I can guarantee you, when they get to Las Vegas, their first season, they're gonna wanna make a splash,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are they saving money for that right now?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then look at the Houston Astros.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you look what the Astros did with homegrown talent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't do a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they did some in free agency when they were in their winning years, few years back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't do a ton.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They relied on the farm system.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The arms coming up through the farm, the Kyle Tucker's, you know, Carlos Carras, those guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They, they, they relied on all of those guys at Jose, I'll too, they coming up through the system.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't feel like that sustainable nowadays.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like now with no salary cap and with spending getting out of control.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, spending wasn't out of control.

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[SPEAKER_02]: in the past.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it is now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's why it has to be revisited.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Any time you get one or two teams like the Mets and Dodgers who have very deep pockets and it's no coincidence that New York is the number one TV market and Los Angeles is the number two TV market in the country.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not a coincidence that they're able to spend a ton of money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: in those markets and and and that's where I think we're at right now is it's a race for free agency if you look up and down the Dodgers line up you look at the homegrown talent there might be two guys in there I think two three you have some bench part parts you have some pitching that is homegrown

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[SPEAKER_02]: Other than that, that roster is not very homegrown.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You look at the 2010 Giants, mostly homegrown, 2012, 2014, mostly homegrown.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not the game anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The game now is who can we grab off a free agency, and how many players can we get off a free agency to build an all-star team to dominate?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And again,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's bad for the game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be bad for the game if there's a lock out and we lose another entire season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's going to be bad for the game because you're going to lose a lot of fringe fans.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'd like to see the game get back to a bit of a mix of homegrown and free agency.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like NFL.

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[SPEAKER_02]: is, you know, with their four year rookie contracts and a fifth year option, plus free agency, I feel like you have a very good mix of homegrown and free agency.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure how it isn't basketball if it's the same way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of young guys that go through the system and free agents, a good mix.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know the NHL is kind of like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Your superstars are going to move around, the older superstars, but that should be in any league.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the right to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know with baseball, you've got the six year rookie deal when a guy has signed your team, you have control for six years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: four or five of those could be in the miners though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's part of the issue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there needs to be a little bit more of something where a guy goes through the miner system or as, you know, maybe you get three years in the miners and you get three years in the majors and that's how they split it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There needs to be something that needs to be done to give you more of a mix of free agency and homegrown instead of

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[SPEAKER_02]: You got the Tampa Bay raise.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you got a free agent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you got two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the rest are pharmacists and guys have come up through the farm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So now they're brilliant at developing players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're brilliant at developing pitching.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: same with my amy they're they're great at developing pitching uh... but then they can't keep those guys they got to sell them off they got a trade them they got to move them uh... so i'd like to see some sort of mix and i love the parody of the NFL i mean it's fun the Kansas City chiefs aren't in it this year

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, there's there's there's there's some different teams that are floating around and it was a fun play off so far.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was it was a blast to see Chicago and Carolina in there is even better as a ramps fan to be both of those things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But nonetheless, it was fun to see different teams in the playoffs and we got a little bit of that last year with the taste of Cincinnati in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I want to see a mix.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to see us go back to a mix and I'm not sure how that's done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't I don't and again, I don't know if I

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[SPEAKER_02]: if I love the salary cap and I don't like hearing floated around a salary floor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's weird, because then you're going to get guys who are minus, you know, minus 1.5 war guys who are making a ton of money because Pittsburgh's got to sign somebody to give it above the floor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really, I don't really, that is, that is a flaw to that plan for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the thing that you mentioned about the NFL,

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[SPEAKER_01]: How does a top of the line trade piece

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[SPEAKER_01]: go to the Green Bay Packers like theoretically by market size.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Green Bay Packers is a small market, but in the NFL, they are a fantastic franchise, a historical franchise, and one of the most popular teams in the history of the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And why are they able to do that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it really means less about market size in the NFL because they have to share so much of the revenues.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Jerry Jones infamously in the mid 90s kind of skirted around some of those rules and was able to make deals for his stadium stuff that kind of butted heads against the NFL and, you know, he then had some lawsuits and he got away with it and he created a little bit of an opportunity for himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, historically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is really, it's, you know, the Indianapolis cults, they drafted Peyton Manning and by drafting Peyton Manning, they solidified their franchise for like 10 or 15 years just because he was so good, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is a much different beast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what baseball looks like if they go closer to a shared revenue

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[SPEAKER_01]: way different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The teams that are like the Oakland A's and some of the lesser teams, Pittsburgh pirates, would they level up a little bit just because they wouldn't have to always lose out on on these free agents because of the overspending of the richer teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: has not had a salary cap and that has been to their benefit and their players union has been steadfast and has been the top players union.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the thing that makes me laugh is the NFL is the most successful and richest league and yet major league baseball has their players have

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, is are the Dodgers to blame here, though, are you know, are the Dodgers to blame for the possibility of a lockout looming?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you were to put a finger on the problems, is it the Dodgers?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it inefficient market size?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it small market teams unwilling to invest in their teams?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it

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[SPEAKER_01]: free agents unwilling to look beyond the the top five markets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't, I mean, I don't know who the biggest blame would be, but it does look like the owners are, you know, the non Dodgers owners are all going to kind of get together and point the figure and go, you guys, you guys and they just stop you guys because they couldn't beat them on what they decided was an uneven playing field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now they have to change the rules to even the playing field.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and part of the article, I think that you and I looked at today too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They talked about how some of the owners of the smaller market clubs who don't spend a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're actually going to, they're actually doing pretty well right now because they do get a cut of the revenue of, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: over the quote unquote cap threshold whatever you want to call it right now just a pay it out a lot of money man yeah they're given a lot of money to the Pittsburgh pirates and and I don't think the pirates ownership you know I don't think he minds that but but they did talk about in the article if they do go to the salary cap that that every club will get a boost in um worth in in what that team is worth because now you've got

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[SPEAKER_02]: clubs that are going to be spending a lot of money on players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to get a lot more people in the stands because I mean, you know, there are some bad NFL teams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's use the Raiders as an example because that's number one trick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The jets people still go to those games.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Las Vegas is only six teams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's only eight eight or nine of them that you get to see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and you get to go and you're in Vegas, you're going to go to Vegas to watch a football game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're in New York and you're at Jet's fan, you're still going to go to the games because New York has passionate about their teams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they're still going to try to make changes and get better because you do have a salary cap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now you've got like Harba in John Harba in

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a draw.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you've got one of the best coaches in the NFL has hopped over to the New York Giants in the New York market.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and they, and they played better football last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't say good, but they played better football than they have in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You think you know, one Harba is like, if I don't be weighted a week, it could have been a head that

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's a good fit for the New York Giants.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's a good fit in New York.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Buffalo, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I can handle Josh Allen, because there's only so many times you could put up with a guy that gets so close and then just gets boneheaded at the end of the game or, you know, because what did he have?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like three or four turnovers in that last game that they played?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that would drive some tough interceptions though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, we'll move on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we do have some giant stuff to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The giants, they signed another top international prospect, Luis Hernandez, $5 million bonus from

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know how those things shake out with the internet and national prospects would have to ask Keith law or my buddy Jared sidler about, you know, how they will shake out when it comes to the top prospects in baseball, but it's a good thing to have now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good thing to have because.

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[SPEAKER_01]: we can dream and, you know, we can fast forward our timelines here to like three or four years down line and go, oh, you know, if all things go well, you know, there's a, you know, starting in field or right there, you know, he's going to be with us forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but also the idea of a trade piece and that they were so risk a verse when it came to trading Luciano who is now been, has he been a wave like twice now?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so he was wave by the giants, Pittsburgh picked them up, wave by Pittsburgh, Baltimore picked them up, wave by Baltimore, they're hoping he pushes through because in that way they can, that's kind of what Baltimore does, they'll pick up guys like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: try to sneak him through, especially this time of year, when not a lot of teams have a 40th spot open, try to push him through, and then that way they can pop him into the miners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you have flexibility, either they're going to become good players, they may become good players on some other teams, there's opportunity for trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's just good to have these guys in your farm system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think that's a positive,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The giant's inability to really bring these guys to the major league level has been a little bit of a problem of late, but you know, they do have some some guys who I don't know if any of these guys will help them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: this year, but you know, they are going to to probably bring Eldridge to the big lead club on on day one of the of the top 10, it's going to be Eldridge and it's going to be wasn't on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, yeah, I don't think it's going to be anybody else they have two guys who MLB dot com projects s twenty twenty seven guys in bow davids in and Dakota Jordan so you know those are kind of next but yeah like you and I guess they do have Blake tidwell we'll see how he bounces back after the the arm thing that he went through but yeah that you know just mostly the idea is like

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[SPEAKER_01]: can they finally prosper some of these guys to the big league level because we just haven't seen it, you know, we get excited for a fitsy where like, oh, finally we get to end then, you know, he goes out and hits, you know, to 20 or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Casey Schmidt will have an opportunity to make the team and he probably, he will make the team, he'll have the opportunity to start at second base if they don't get anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think we expect KC Schmidt to be in all star this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we expect him to be dependable defensively and be a clutchator here and there, but they just haven't grown anybody through the system that we're like, that's the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we have that guy in Eldrich who's 21 years old and it would be nice for some of these other guys who are kind of, you know, we'll probably be being double layered and then triple a to think be ready as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you'd like to see these young guys now it's hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really hard, but we we were I think we're a little biased because or maybe we're a little.

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[SPEAKER_01]: our expectations are too high because one of our favorite teams was the 86 giants and they just graduated all these guys to the big league roster all at the same time and they were all super fun and and you know they they really helped the team when the penant 89 and so that is kind of where we sit but yeah like this is it's nice to have these prospects highly sought out

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[SPEAKER_01]: in in the in the rankings, but he has also ETA is in 2030, you know, you and I are not getting in the younger here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, he's like to see the ETA has come down a little bit here anytime I see a 2030 that's here I retire from work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I see that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I see that I go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's uh, it's it's really not that long from now, but it is that long from now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, you know, uh, yeah, I would love to see like a Johnny level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: These guys, but yeah, when you look at where they were at, where they played last year, rookie ball, A ball, A ball, double A ball, rookie A, A. I mean, I'm going down the list of, like, the top 12 players, A plus Mauiohuna.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, uh,

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[SPEAKER_02]: these guys aren't anywhere close.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So in in in order to compete, like I was saying earlier, the giant have to be a free agent club.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they have to be right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And and they're just not doing it or trades or trades or trades or trades and and you know, and again, what do you want to do?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to build the farm system and then before you

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[SPEAKER_02]: ditch these guys if somebody is willing to pay for them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a big year for the giants because this is the year where all of those guys are going to get a lot more playing time, a lot more looks and the minor leagues are some of these A guys going to double A, some of these double A guys going to triple A, are they going to falter?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are they going to Peter out?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What are they going to do?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's, it's right now, I think the giants, I mean, there are still some free agents out there that the giants can grab and still kind of add to this team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if they're sitting around waiting to see if some of these guys like Framber Valdez will take a three-year deal with a opt-out after every year, I think we're getting really close.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we're getting to that point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, and it goes back to what you said about the looming lockout and team seemingly being scared to offer long term deals not knowing if they're going to be playing base if there's going to be baseball next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's end with what you just said, which is, are the giants going to make a move or a somewhat big movie we've talked about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tyler Malley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about Adrian Hauser.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They lost Sean Jelly to the Orick's Buffalo's in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They lost Justin Dean, Wade Meckler, and Joey Weamer to the waivers because they needed space on their 40 men.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's Cody Belinger out there, there's Framber out there, like you said, there's trade folks that are out there that seem to be a little bit in the too good to be true scenario.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, F.P.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Santangelo keeps bringing up the name, Nico Horner, and I'm like, did the cubs really want to?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why would the cubs want to break them?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is what I, that is what I'm not so sure about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, who, who would the giants have to give up for a Nico Horner?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it is Tyler Fitzgerald and Carson was in HUD.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's going to get it done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, do you, if you were to, if you were to have to make a guess,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that giants add a singular player at a position that we've been dying for them to replace?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is gonna make the fans go, okay, like we're moving in the right direction because so far, we are banking on this idea that they made their move in the summer, or in the summer, a trade for Rafi Devours, which was great,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But since then, the Dodgers have continued to add.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers didn't go, we made a move during the season and we're gonna hold strong, and that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They continue to add.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're trying to keep up with them, you haven't done anything, and they've done a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So do you think they make a move that gets Giants fans excited and saying, like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're fighting here, we're gonna be in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can see that we can see the moves happening because I am not sure myself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'd be cool with Cody Belinger for a couple of years, like a three-year deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be excited about Framber Valdez, even with a one-year opt-out at this point, just to have a little more competition in that five-man rotation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you bring in Framber.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You got your number two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's in the road to where any of his left hand is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's left handed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's an amazing, not, not you're looking at it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I wouldn't say, amazing, but you're looking at it a really, really good five-man rotation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I still...

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[SPEAKER_02]: I still don't know what the hell we're going to do with the back end of the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of those things right now is going to shake out and spring training.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I always hate that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hate the spring training competition for your seven and eight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Eight thinning guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tony Bytello was at the San Jose fan fest this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're starting to get nuggets, the more he talks, the more nuggets we're going to get.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He did mention that Ryan Walker is pretty much the ninth inning guy, but he would not be afraid to use him in other high-leveled situations earlier in the game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So how do you feel about a base-is-loaded situation?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ryan Walker comes in the seventh, gets the out, we have a one-run lead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who pitches the eight to nine?

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[SPEAKER_02]: At this point, I don't really know, Pagaro.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, you're going to have some guys competing for those spots.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Trevor McDonald is he going to be in the bullpen is he going to be stretched out to be a starter and spot starts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's just a lot of anybody playing Catrusted Bird Song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you hit you in the glove?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really hope so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope Bird Song can.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope Wizz and Hunt has developed a third pitch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there are so many questions with this pitching staff that if you add a Cody Bellinger,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that just kind of, you know, lipstick on a pig at this point?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you saying, look, we got an outfielder and our lineup is dangerous now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would love to have a dangerous lineup.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I also want, I don't want to suffer through seven to six ball games every night, cause that's gonna be kind of tough to watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, I think a Cody Belinger, and I think a Framber Valdez, honestly, those two guys combined, I think I would feel pretty good about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, even on short-term deals, I would just feel good about now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying, just 2026.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel excited for the 2026 season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, what happens after that right now?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not signing anybody for six or seven years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, we don't have to worry about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, but I would feel good about the 2026 season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm just using the CBS sports line list of the best free agents left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go down the list a little bit because you named the top two guys left that's belligerent and framer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I shot for the moon, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, you know, two months ago when we started talking about this, they were more like in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were like five six.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now they're the top two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're the top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to give me an excitement level if the giants signed these next few people that I'm going to, I'm going to mention.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And thumbs up, thumbs down, thumbs in the middle as far as just excitement, because everybody, everybody on this list could add value to the team, but what is going to sell tickets?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is going to make the current fan base jump up for joy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Zach Galen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, again, for baseball fans, I think we'd be like, hey, that's a pretty solid three or four guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Giant fans are pretty smart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, we'd be happy be happy with him at the back end of that rotation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, depends on how many do you do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just say these are one-year deals.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't want to I don't want to think about that gallon on a six-year deal right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to think about that gallon on a four-year deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Actually, this is uh this is kind of a bad list I was looking at Luis arise today and I was like, could he still play a second base?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I have to keep good Yeah, I had the uh

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had the hot stove tracker and then they only went through, uh, they only went through five players and I was like, oh god, here, I'm going to send you here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got a list up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's from the athletic, it's one I've been studying like weekend and week out because, uh,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good comprehensive list.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, because what you've got after Framber Valdez and Cody Bellinger is a UNEO swarr as if we signed him because we're the hell you're going to blame.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't want to need a guy like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Zach Allen's on that list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Number 21.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a good one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK. Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So after a UNEO that is Zach Allen,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let, okay, I'm going to look at this list.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say, gee, later, or bass it, I would honestly be happy with either of those guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, again, over what we have right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a lot of question marks right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mali, again, can he be good?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you get a guy like Gilly doing bassid or either or I think I'd be a little bit more excited about our five-man rotation, it's still I would be I would still be sitting here thinking what are we doing with the back end of the bullpen so yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would be happy with either of those guys just from depth rotation pieces of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean they're not going to make me jump for joy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, after that, what do you think about Harrison Bader who is probably kind of realistic for them if they do add a bat?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be happy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be happy with Bader, not as happy as I would with Belinger, but I think I would enjoy Bader because then I would know that you could move junkie Lee to right field or maybe Bader plays right field.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you have to kind of feel it out and see who can play that ball park the best.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The problem is, I don't know how much junkie Lee,

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[SPEAKER_02]: has even goofed around in right field before games at at Oracle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if Bader has ever played right field at Oracle either.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd have to look back at the stats and everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'd be excited at that because it kind of lengthens your your outfield defense a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think I like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be a positive, but I think what would happen is they would want to put beta in center, they would want to move junk food and left, and they would have to go find right fielder, which is kind of the same problem that we have right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what does that do with Ramos's, you, he, he, he probably trade him as is what happens.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would think so, but again, would I rather have Ramos for Bader at this point right now?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather have Ramos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'd rather have Ramos's bat for sure, though,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bader's numbers last year were better than ramoses, but I think some people don't really believe in those numbers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ramoses younger, of course, but his defensive metrics also took a quite a tumble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right,

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[SPEAKER_02]: What I rather have Mac Scherzer or Verlander, let's throw those two out there, because I like to compare.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just then, it's got to be just it, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would think so, but I would be a little excited about Scherzer, but I think I'd be more excited with Verlander because we saw what he did at Oracle Park the second half of the season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'd lean Verlander, but if we did sign, Scherzer,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Justin has proven that he could still hit 95 on the gun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shers are I'd be a little worried that there seems there's a little bit of scotch tape in yarn and bubble gum kind of keeping his shoulder and elbow together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would I would like

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't think I cry if we got churser, but I wouldn't be super excited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Talking about a late-inning reliever, could you possibly go get Seranthony Dominguez?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, if you named a reliever right now, I'd say yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I mean, we don't have a lot of experience in the bullpen at the moment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think anybody who's a free agent reliever right now, and who has earned free agency by being in the league long enough, I think I'd say yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What if they went out and got

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[SPEAKER_01]: a copy from the Dodgers and just said, you're our ninth inning guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just throw hard and just get out to the ninth inning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think I'd still trust Ryan Walker in the ninth to start the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't have models like eighth inning guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Go get your eighth inning guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but, but it, you know, but if you had to turn to him for the ninth, because I mean, that's what Vitalo made it sound like is that we were going to kind of stick with

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh, almost bull, you know, closeer by committee at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, me, you know, if you can bring in guys who are throwing high 90s, like I think it's worth the risk of the injuries because it's not like you have a ton of them, you would only have, you know, ran rod is going to be gone, eighth inning Randy, he's not going to be back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, what about Zacletell?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know he's on the list.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is he listed as a starting pitcher?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's, I think he's at a starter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: OK. Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man, he has been even there done that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not even that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was just really keen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was, he was, yeah, he was really mean to cap there when the captain.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but that's all right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he would be captain served in that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he had a good, he had a good couple of years post giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder what he thinks about coming back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to hit the relievers real quick, just because we're talking about them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But right now on the roster, we've got Tristan back is going to be more of a spot starter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You got Spencer Bivins.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to give you some mid-releaf innings.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You've got Jose Buto, folly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to be there till halfway.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, that's a good pick up if he can be the guy, you know, if he can be, I don't know, and again, with his injury, I don't know if he's going to start the season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but if he can be the guy, he can be a seven or eight inning guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, again, Trevor McDonald, you got Eric Miller, who's healthy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you forgot about Miller.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, Joel Pagaro.

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[SPEAKER_02]: let's see what else in there Ryan Walker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I mean, it's, you know, maybe it's not as doom and gloom as I thought it would be, but again, I would feel better with like a serenity to mingas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... kind of filling in that role for the seventh or eighth inning guy and and or or copied and and then that way saying like okay now we have some depth because if you dip into the miners uh... you got kyway tangy and again you've got you know cars you know you've got uh... trist and back you've almost a carson back the uh the Miami losing quarterback from last night some i thought you i think you were going to say carson daily the old mtv vj

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, not thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, no, that's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a good little exercise, you know, kind of looking the realistic bullpin and what they could do in free ages because there's not a lot of guys left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's still guys, but there's not a lot of guys left, specifically who fit with the giant swamp.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of guys who are like, DHS without positions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the giant's have so many of those guys are ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need less of those guys, not more of those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll figure out what to do next week if we need to be background.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If the giants do something, we'll definitely be back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Brian and I will be back tomorrow, possibly with Golden State hoop talk in the warriors who just lost Jimmy Butler for the year to a torn ACL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not great in warriors land there and yeah, so Rod and I will be back this weekend after the NFC and AFC title games and we'll talk about that as well as the 49ers exit Interview stuff and kind of where they sit with all the injuries that they had to deal with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But okay, so that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for Brad, I am double G. We will see you when we see you piece out piece.