Buster Posey's Giants: Jarrett Seidler on the Farm System's Rise & Top Prospects | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_00]: with Drosion, throws to Sandberg and the pitches proud of the second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thompson has it, throws the first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty seven years away and he got hooked on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Thompson to Clark when Brad is away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I make a few, I guess they're not calls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're a social media messages.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I send a few out, but usually the first one that I make is to our special guest Jared side there from baseball, perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on, man?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pleasure to be on and to discuss there's always topics to discuss in the giant universe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an endlessly fascinating team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's funny is not the last time you came on, but the time before that is right around the news when Buster Posey was named president baseball operations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we had this discussion and I could sense that you're like, I did not see this one coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, but now we have some data, some experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have, you know, many games underneath the belt of the first season of Buster Posey as president baseball ops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do want to hit on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do want to hit on, you know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, reason why I want you to explain this to me is because

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[SPEAKER_00]: The giant supposedly, their farm system kind of branked a little bit higher of late, and I was trying to figure out why, because I didn't really sense it was because of the prospects necessarily that they got back from some of the trades.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll talk about that because I want you to explain to me how that works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll talk a little bit about some of the late season things that they may be doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a question that I wanted to talk to Jared about concerning

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[SPEAKER_00]: the giant's managerial position for twenty twenty six so we'll leave that as a tease because i've been thinking about this pretty much all year long and i'm sure i'm starting to see some signs about the possibility so we'll talk about that at the end of the show but uh... jarrett give me your

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we could even do a grade because it's like, how can you grade someone's first season of baseball as head of baseball ops, they're inheriting another team, though Buster has made a lot of moves, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he has definitely been active, but has this been what you thought it was going to be or was it a little bit different?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's around like the median outcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when we initially discussed this like ten months ago, one of the points I recall making was that I have absolutely no clue what Buster Pelosi is going to be like running a team because he just didn't have any.

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[SPEAKER_01]: relevant experience, like you wasn't, you know, there's no like tree you can go to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The closest thing to that is the giants from back in the Brine Saviour, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's kind of done some of the same things, you know, there's a proclivity for

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[SPEAKER_01]: big name, veteran, splashy moves, you know, signed William Domus, he traded for Raphael Devers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even kind of moving down into the draft, like their draft was very heavy on like name college players, which, you know, bust their poses, one of the great name college players himself for all time, so that kind of makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and he can do it right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He himself, priced himself out of

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[SPEAKER_00]: the first few picks and that's why he fell to the Giants is because he was like, I'm gonna cost you a lot if you pick me and thus scared some of the cheaper teams away and the Giants were like, great, come on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, come along.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was back in the day before the draft pools were hard slotted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you could do more of that type of thing these days that wouldn't work because the team would just go, you know, screw you on taking you anyway, which happens all the time now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Most of the time you even hear about like, I'll hear about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That must even make it out now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that doesn't work as well as it used to, when does he draft it like two thousand nine around there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think the year before that, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, wait two thousand, which is wild to think that a guy that was a high-first son picking the way of two thousand is already running a team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's unusual a young, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so it's kind of like about what I would have expected.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of managing like a basically like a lot of GMs did ten to fifteen years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I suggest at the time that they hired him that that might be a better path than being like the twenty second best modern process team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: little bit of a bag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, just because you're going to do more interesting stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to take risks like on devours that other teams aren't going to do, and you know, I think in the first two to three years of that, Terry, that turns probably going on pretty good for maybe less so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One slide, and I think that's already kind of started to play out, and obviously the teams want to, that's a little craps since they traded for devours, but devours himself has been pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not him, person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, there's kind of, I don't want to say a lack of creativity because the devastated self was somewhat creative, but it's a lot of, you know, big names, guys that you would expect them to go after, you know, William Dom's made a lot of sense, Matt Chapman reciting made a lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that was technically before him, but I think he was the driving force on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's, he was at the finish line there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, you know, Justin Verlander on a one-year deal is within that construct something that you would expect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when they decided to sell or on the deadline, which I think was the right call based on where they were on the same day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's at the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just the congestion in the second tier of the wild card race that you've kind of seen play out where the bets are now four and a half games clear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and it looks like the wild cards are probably mostly settled, going into September.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, even they traded for big name prospects in most sentences.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Drew Gilbert was the first round draft pick that was traded for Justin Farland or Blake Tidwell was a second round draft pick with, you know, very, they both played for the same Tennessee team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, even some of the more minor traits like his extraordinary guess in the community of devolved trade was, you know, they clearly wanted to target a starting catcher prospect, you know, the pair of worth Patrick Bailey down the road and, you know, Rodriguez kind of fit within that construct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they did okay at the deadline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think I think they've done a lot of things that were okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a lot of creativity or really interesting stuff going on here that just made a lot of moves that are like bminus, C++ moves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to work out this year, but I appreciate that they try.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll have to even some try anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So here's a question, which is we talked about the devil's trade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, like literally not that far after it happened, you came on with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's pretty scheduled to come on and then the trade happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's what it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so it's the trade for devours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked at the pros and cons of that, but it does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It did feel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where Buster may be leaning, which is the fan base is very much used to Farhan saying, we're in on everybody and getting nobody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and for reasons of, you know, a lot of risk management on his end, but this was a very anti-far-han kind of move or at least a deal in which far-han would maybe not be able to get done for good reasons probably based on some of the things that that scared off teams about devours, but I think poses willingness

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[SPEAKER_00]: to go there with devours was a little bit of a sign, but if you look at the record, I think the giants of the worst team in baseball sense that trade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think there's a lot of flaw in just blaming, you know, whatever you want to blame on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're, they're, they're other things that happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, one of the things that Brad and I kept talking about, and I was pushing this one was, the giants are not as good as the record says, and I've seen this before, and then, but I just didn't expect them to fall so hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Since twenty twenty one, they've had a really hard time putting two halves of the season together, and that's what I expected here, and that's what happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They could not stand up to what the first half of the season was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess my question is, is being the sort of doing the anti-far-hon deal, does that fit into your model of, hey, maybe instead of being really bad at this stuff, we lean the other way and possibly gain something by, by zagging.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yes, there's an old Andrew Friedman quote, which is funny because Farhan comes from the Andrew Friedman trade and some, you know, he worked for the daughters, he went back to the daughters after he left the dines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you are rational on every free agent, you are going to come in third on every free agent because it's, you know, it's the winner's curse situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're almost always going to overpay in a free market.

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[SPEAKER_01]: where there's relatively limited ass that's especially at the top and players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So something like that diverse deal you're only going to be able to get that unique type player if you make a trade that's a little bit not because players like that don't get traded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: very often, and then especially during the season, especially when they have multiple years of control, and that versus sign for like eight or nine more years, kind of the same thing in pre agency that kind of jumped the market a little bit for really dumbness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I thought that contract was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was about what I expected them to get.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that may have been like a slight mistake, but also if they didn't sign and will you dumbness, they're like, we're not a great

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[SPEAKER_01]: run on short stops that were helpful and free agency, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes you just gotta go out and get the guy that you want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was a problem that Farhan had was that he was always looking for the value in the deal as opposed to just getting a deal done, like you need to might play short stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You need a number of free hitter, like you just need players at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the best guys at this like Freeman or like David Sterns or, you know, Dave Dumpurowski, like the best along term GM or team presidents are able to blend both, they're able to be selectively, really aggressive and kind of pick and choose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think plus there's going to be there anytime soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, given the situation, the giants are in where they have, you know, an ownership group that's willing to spend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's been jokes for years about how nobody would take their money because they come in second place on all of the really big margins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the ownership group is willing to spend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they really didn't have the facility to go out there and get a clear top baseball ops name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think this is better than kind of continuing to plot along as the second-tier process team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're asking a lot of ups and downs over the however long this posey run lasts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you really hasn't made any deal that's like been completely catastrophic or anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like you haven't traded away, you know, recklessly traded away a bunch of top prospects like they didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't go out at the deadline and like move like John's work in tallest for like a rental on like a fifteen percent chance to make the playoffs or you know, move Johnny level for like guy with a year and a half control like they made a

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[SPEAKER_01]: They made us so we're pretty rational decision that we're going to solve so we're going to sell off our levers basically and I think that was the right call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there's nothing to me that indicates that pose is going to be a top president of baseball operations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing to me that indicates it's going to be a disaster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were a lot of people in the industry that predicted he was going to be a disaster, just based on the lack of experience, or based on like things will Clark said on his body, and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That hasn't really been out either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's put some smart interesting people in place, but what will him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think they're going to plot along as kind of an aggressive team that is interested in the top free agent and trade names, but probably it's not going to do anything like super creative in terms of like going after guys that you know going after like really versus to convert to smarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They seem like a team in the town of playing a straight up right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're if you're willing to spend a lot of money and be really aggressive, that's perfectly decent way to build a team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, though, that that Hicks that Hicks deal that that far-handed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It may have turned out to help the giants with the with the trade asset because I don't know what he's doing in Boston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just know that he's been bad in the Boston bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just know that a lot of the the Boston folks who I know they were like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why is this guy now our project?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why did we take, but it's probably because they did start Hicks for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It probably raises value at least a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that was also a financial diviner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they, you know, kind of, I could get about twenty million dollars left on his contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think instead of, you know, sending cash along, it took back the Jordan Hicks contract, like it just kind of is what this is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What have you heard about Harrison?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was in the mix to start this weekend for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They decided to go with Peyton Tolly instead, who's their top pitching prospect and is one of the top pitching prospects in the minor leagues at this point is the second rounder out of TCU as the irony is just like absolutely would it up since the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they sent him to AAA and he's been Kyle Harris and like they're

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's walking a little too many guys and not striking out enough guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's kind of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's no, like, big, will eat for anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times, I got the sense when Boston traded him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They traded for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were going to make some pitchmix adjustments and pitch shape adjustments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times when he traded for a younger prospect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: mid season you'll let them finish out the season and then try and make those changes in the off season or the next year's from training because it's just easier to do than it is to do mid season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if they have, you know, some type of pitch usage plan or a new pitch they want to try and teach him that might not show up until next year, but yeah, he's just kind of been what he was with you guys the last couple of years in AAA for them and does not count back up yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's so interesting to see when he came up, how hard he was throwing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure some of that was something that they saw that was just not going to be anything, but an injury issue for him probably.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then to precipitously lose the velocity,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then this year, he somehow got it back up into the mid nineties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there was a real hope, like, okay, the arm strength is back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, can he get more of the swings and misses that he was expecting to get, which is why he walks so many people kind of like, you know, lint's a comeback in the day, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you just, if you if you put the dot around home plate about balls and strikes,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's come got so many swinging strikes on balls that were outside of the strike zone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if people were able to lay off and force him to throw strikes, he would've been way more hitable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you don't have that, and we're starting to see that with Carson Wizzan Hunt, like this guy throws anything near the strike zone, and it has a possibility of getting hammered if it's not his change up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, I think we were hoping as fans like, okay, velocities back, he'll get more swing and miss, and it just never happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, while you were talking, I looked up his metrics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, he's even averaging ninety four two in AAA for the Sacramento and he's averaging ninety four one in Worcester.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically the same philosophy is hit ninety seven a couple of times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about what he was hitting on the top end in Sacramento.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's really just points a little bit off that might just be measuring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: difference or whatever, but yeah, it's not getting, you know, it's not getting swings and misses, really, and that's been, if you form since, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Boston's really good at this type of pitching development.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've kind of, they've even flipped a couple of guys in this situation, like they traded for Quinn Priest there, kind of worked out his situation and then traded him on to Milwaukee, and he said, it really isn't a Milwaukee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I, if there's a plan there that I don't think they've executed, yeah, he's just kind of tugging along and my Kyle Harrison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So looking at the giant's farm system, it's funny because in the giant's social media ecosystem, the new, I think, is the MLB rankings came out and it was like, oh, the giants have bumped up several steps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the way I looked at it, I was like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've added level and Joe Swarkins, Allison, those guys have actually gone up the charts and they added able bodies near the middle because of these trades.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But how do you look at what they've done and because what I'm trying to see is

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did they actually, are they actually better at this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have they improved?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it just the addition of some bodies that have caused the rankings for them to be ranked higher or whatever?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Gonzalez was a guy that they signed in the January, twenty twenty five IFA pool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that deal was actually agreed to probably three or four years ahead of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he, by the time he signed, he was already considered the top prospect in that international class.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had moved ahead of William Payneau with the meds who was kind of the other contender and that kind of played out in the DSL this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really good chance of short stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got

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[SPEAKER_01]: some positive hitting ability as well as switch hitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's a guy that, you know, he was on our midseason top fifty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be in the top fifty when we do the top one hundred one prospects most likely in the offseason as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the addition of that type of prospect is going to bump your team up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: same thing with Johnny level, a switch editor they signed two years ago, who was one of the better players in the Dominican Summer League in twenty twenty four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then went to the domestic complex and was even better this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And is in low A now and it's a piece struggle that low A is also a team that low A and that's a thing that happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a guy that we considered putting on the midsies in top fifties kind of a

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[SPEAKER_01]: compact like kind of, you know, puts a charge into the ball, type of guy, I really like him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really like him for about a year and a half now, just kind of a fun, fun prospect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again,

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[SPEAKER_01]: coming into the season here is not someone that was in top one hundred consideration for anybody and I think he's going to make our top one on one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be towards the bottom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They also both Davidson kind of really hopped up this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was undirected free agent a couple of years ago who put up like kind of some really nutty lines at the low levels of the miners in twenty twenty four, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: like really old for the levels and it was kind of in really small sample sizes something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the giants have had the giants have had a couple of guys like that who Pete have Petered out since.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and, but this time, he can he's continued to hit and he said his way into.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, he's another potential top one hundred type prospect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got that going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They also traded for, you know, Gilbert and Tidwell and Tristan Fierling and Paces Rodriguez.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These aren't guys that are gonna be like the top of a prospect list, but Gilbert and Tidwell might be towards the bottom of a top ten.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Paces Rodriguez might be towards the bottom of the top ten.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gilbert might end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Gilbert's hand up graduating, but I may have misread his call updates, so who the heck knows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Carson wasn't on stars and graduated yet, so even though I think his stocks a little bit down this year, he's just going to count towards prospect lists right now if you're looking at prospect lists.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they did a lot of people really like Gavin Killing, who is the kid they drafted in the first round out of Tennessee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not one of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: did not particularly like that pic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was okay for where they took them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the middle of the first round, but there's people that have him as a top one under Calibar Prospect, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the first soldier who was the top prospect in the system by these amounts, pretty much helped serve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So coming into the season, we had them in the meetings, like, basically in the meetings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's had a

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[SPEAKER_01]: decent season in the upper minor is a little more swing and miss than you'd like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, they've basically it's a combination of they've had some pop up prospects they drafted relatively high in the first round and they tried it for some guys so they're going to kind of creep up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So do you think, so what don't you like about kill them?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, who would you kind of compare him to?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the last time the giants, at least as far as I can remember, the giants drafted a second basement high was Joe Panic, who for a couple of years was very fundamental to their success, but obviously he's not majorly baseball anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't find it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if I'm drafting, I can play it like the twelfth or the thirteenth pick or somewhere on there to probably actually know that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's, there's the thirteenth pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a well-rounded player with no carrying standout type ability that's obvious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, okay, like a lot of things, but he's not particularly great at any of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, that's just like not really what you want in a first round pick that high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of like a jack of all trades.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, guy that we think has a pretty good chance to be like a decent regular and in some ways that is Joe Panic right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that was my wonder is do you think they will try and speed him through the system?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he was, he was a good college player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He struggled a little bit more in conference play when the pitching got better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, his whiff rate slid back a little bit in his draft year when he, because he transferred from Louisville to Tennessee, and Tennessee is much tougher level of competition and his whiff rates went a little bit backwards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's just like, there's not a ton of power here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really think he's like a short shot, short stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can be probably is gonna be a second basement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not, like, his plate discipline is average.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His power is average.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His head to all might be a little bit above average.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this sounds like dope at it, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually sounds like a jungle leel a little bit too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's junkily that's perfectly good for where they drafted on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it just wasn't to me if you're picking it the thirteenth pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I personally want to take like a bigger shot there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which, you know, they weren't a little bit of a weird spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a nine or ten player giraffe, and the last of the nine or ten players in that group went off one pick ahead of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was down in fiend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, they also they didn't have a real creative draft the kid they took in the third round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't have a second round pick because of the udama signing and the third round pick was a kid out of rockers that like posted a really high batting average at rockers The thing is if you think it's like three seven years something like that

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[SPEAKER_01]: A kit that's hitting three-seventy to major college and it really has like a lot of other good stuff going form goes in the first round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like this weird like adverse election type thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a Trevor Cohen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a guy like I thought would have been like a nice pick for somebody in like the sixth seventh eighth round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They took them in the third.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For some reason, they took three players from Northeastern, which is not like a particular baseball hotbed height.

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[SPEAKER_01]: genuinely do not know what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those trips to go scout that call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just like not just the strange thing to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they kind of had a what I would consider fairly bland draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They took one they took one prep picture over a slot, but otherwise it was like a lot of very close to slot value.

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[SPEAKER_01]: college picks, which again was kind of bland, not bad, just bland.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, kill him as a fine pick at the thirteenth spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we had him like twenty-a-thir whatever, and that's certainly within the range of reasonable fudge factors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just wasn't the type of pick that I

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[SPEAKER_01]: was particularly inspired by I would rather take a shot of like a toolsy high school short stop that has a higher chance to be a high ceiling player, like case and cutting him out or somebody like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Rob Rob also in the chat he chimed in and was talking about Luis Hernandez who's the Venezuelan kid with the giants are rumored to be in the mix for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, again, all those deals are done years ahead of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's one of the top prospects in the twenty twenty six class everybody expects them to sign him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because these deals are done years ahead of time, the players are mostly not being scouted and seen within that time period.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So your guess is as good as mine as to whether he's actually good or not, he's reputationally one of the best prospects in the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: not the draft, the class, but yeah, I don't like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we tend not to rank those players until they've had a professional debut.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are outlets, they're more aggressive in covering that scene, baseball America doesn't really get to happen with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's just, to me, there's just way too much hype going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's very hard to figure out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who it is, but yeah, I mean, the giant's have been successful with both big and medium dollar signings in the international market over the last couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, that's based on the work that they would have done for the five years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the thing they would be doing now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the more you learn about that international signing thing, the better it'll make you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've ever had written about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great blank in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The whole thing is it's criminal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The teams are great to deal with, like, eleven and twelve-year-olds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That can't actually be executed until they're sixteen and I just, like, find it reprehensible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, I mean, they are going to one of the top, you know, but some people have them as a top player or other people have them as, like, the second or third player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they are one of the top players in the upcoming IFA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the giants are going to promote Eldridge later this year, give them a few abes, and then really drive him to be the starting first space to the next year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the problem, and this is why I'm asking this question is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Devours and Eldridge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they have other guys who kind of don't really have positions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't think at Karna Sion is a long-term fit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't even get on the field this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wilmer is not a long-term fit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's nearing the, you know, the end of his run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just the idea, like Buster's philosophy is, you know, we're gonna play defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna pitch and we have timely hitting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be more athletic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not athletic with so many DHS on the team today, but if you have elders at first, then you're basically signifying that diverse is going to be your your DH and that's fine as long as you know as long as he

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[SPEAKER_00]: as long as both of those guys can fit in a lineup, but it doesn't add to your sort of athleticism.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, if they hit, then who cares?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just the idea that the giants, you want to get more flexible, you want to get more athletic, you want to get more utility.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys are kind of against the grain on that thinking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, Jesus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Eldor just coming up this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If there are more recent comments over the last week or two, if not, really tipped in that direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, if they were going to do that, they probably would have done it already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The safe par per period for where you could call players up and keep the work the eligibility for the PPI picks next year was last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some pictures that have been delayed and coming up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tally is they be on tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jonah Tong is they be on tomorrow just because of where teams were in rotations and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For the most part, I think that the top prospects that came up are pretty much up already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it doesn't necessarily have to be true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you were going to give them some run, you probably go from one of them about what you could go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's forty-five days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can call a guy out with forty-four days left in the season and he's still working eligible for next year and he's still eligible for the prospect promotion set of picks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's pretty young, he doesn't need to go on the forty-man roster this off season, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They may start him in AAA next year as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This contact rates have not been great, especially after the promotion, which, you know, it's probably the fourth or fifth time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've discussed Brace Elders on this platform.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a really tall guy with really long arms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it's going to be a problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it kind of is continued to be a problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a bigger problem, the better the pitching yet, because they're able to change foods, change high levels, get the ball out in front more than get the ball back more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think it's reasonable to take it relatively slow with Eldridge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if they were more in the race,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Dom Smith was struggling in a way more flora as was struggling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's more of an argument for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One term positionally, I have no idea what they're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that may depend more on personnel management of Raphael devers as a human being more than anything because as I'm sure most people listening to this know the reason Raphael devers is on the giants is because the red socks were squirming with his position last year yeah supposedly he's been fine there like the the metrics suggest that he's been okay there

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had an argument with a Red Sox fan who I'm friends with like in spring and then in like April about whether he'd be an adequate first basement and I was like he's been a bad third baseman but like he should be fine at first and yeah he's been fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Elder inches never really taken to first base defensively and I don't know why because again, he's a giant human being.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has some athleticism in agility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be shocked if they try them in the outfield again at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know they tried that a couple of years ago and it didn't go great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they just flip flopped them and diverses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's an elder to the ages.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could also just move them, you know, diverse could play first base four times a week and now there's to play first base to point five times a week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's a thing you can do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it seems to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been doing that a point this season where they've been flipping like Ben Rice and Paul Goldsmith depending on, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'd like to give Raphia a half day off today, so he's going to do it to an elderly who's going to play it for us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that is a thing you can do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got a trade price, elderly itself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this is this is the other part of the conversation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been actually hearing about that more, you know, anytime you have a top prospect, there's always discussion about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I've actually been hearing that more from the local media about the idea that

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[SPEAKER_00]: because of the contact rate, as you were talking about, that he may not actually be the kind of player that they want to develop just by the style of hitting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we haven't had somebody with prestigious power in San Francisco in quite a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we have devours to be able to add, if Eldridge

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, was good to have that power that would be definitely a plus, but I've actually been hearing more about that of late, which is kind of interesting because it's not like he's playing poorly in in AAA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still hitting the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's hitting home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's almost like the souring and this is something that's kind of happened to Marco Luciano.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The souring on the top prospects when you bring them up and I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: personally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think farhand and and company just botched the whole Luciano thing because they did not have a position for him and there was no plan for what to do with him like at any point in doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They put him at short stop in a big league series in this dude was like a deer in headlights and I was just like, what are we doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this you I get

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[SPEAKER_00]: wanting to win ball games and throwing a guy in and saying, sink or swim, especially an athlete like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, he is your your your baby deer here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the one that's supposed to come in and hit for this organization and they just miss handled it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I do wonder just it's almost like

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[SPEAKER_00]: they can't they can't like a present these guys in the way that they should be presented and then when it doesn't happen and all of a sudden their their names are sourd in in the organization and just I can't imagine that's good for leverage when you trade them like you can't trade Luciano because he doesn't like he's sourd across major league baseball and uh... though on the flip side I was going to ask you about whether or not they try and

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't you there's no position for him because I think he's only a left builder and we already have Elliott were almost playing terrible left field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe he comes in and hits left handed pitching as a DH in some way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you can fit him in, but he's another guy who has been hitting at triple A and is hitting some bombs like do you sense that they will ever give him another shot to try and come up and and hit at the big league level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He feels like a guy that the organization's just kind of giving up on, which is a thing that happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We call this prospect fatigue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the thing that happens both on the public side, plus like organization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Luciano has been a prominent prospect now since like, twenty, eighteen, twenty, nineteen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not prospect anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's graduated based on that kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: God, about ten years ago I named this the Dalton Pompeo zone and done a few listening to who Dalton Pompeo is, which is kind of the point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The guys that just get caught in like you're not a prospect anymore, but you're also not a major leagueer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but they have, again, they have a lot of guys to fit into that jigsaw puzzle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He also feels like a guy who could use some different voices in terms of coaching, like the swing decisions just never got there in the bad to ball build.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just never got there in the bad speed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always been there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He still has the ability to absolutely pulverize the ball when he makes solid contact, but the petracking missions just not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he never found a defensive home as you pointed out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like to shortstop defense to a point, but it was always like he's going to keep growing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have to keep improving and he kept growing and he did not keep improving, which is the thing that happens.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trying to fit all of this together is one of the hardest things about running a baseball team because you have to be correct on which guys you decide are good and which guys you discard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, there might be an opportunity to trade L-dridge for, let's say, a top of the rotation starting pitcher that's under control for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the twins decide to make Joe Ryan available.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This obviously is in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Bryce Elders for Joe Ryan would be the type of trade that I think would make a lot of sense within that construct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, there's always guys that become available that you don't realize are going to be available.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think elder to this value is hit that much in the industry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just hit, he's still very young and he just hits the boss so hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a skill grouping that teams have really got to focus on and be really impressed with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still twenty years old and he's slugging over five hundred in AAA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good season if there's some flaws there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in terms of the strikeout rate or a lower batting average.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, it's certainly possible that they move him at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think if they do it, it's going to be for a top quality major league player with multiple years of control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's going to be like a prospect for prospect type trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those just like won't never happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How real is

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[SPEAKER_00]: when new regimes come in kind of frowning on the previous regimes prospects and draft picks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that real?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It can be, it's more that a new regime might not value the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you can speculate that maybe the giants are keying more on guys with that to ballability, whereas Eldridge is a guy who just swings for the fences all the time and is a big power prospect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that actually played out because Raphael Deborah is also kind of bad by the fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I think it's more of the day like different things than sour on the player, particularly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is, God, I can't believe I'm about to talk about Zack Scott on a giant's podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Zack Scott, the former GM of the Met's turned D tier social media personality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was in charge of the draft and Boston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The year before he took over the meds, and the meds drafted Pete Crowe Armstrong with their first kick in twenty-twenty, and Zack Scott became the GM of the meds in twenty-twenty one, and did not think Pete Crowe Armstrong was very good because he was low on the Boston Draft Board and traded on for hobby air buyers, specifically because his

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[SPEAKER_01]: view of Carl Armstrong was lower, having come from an organization that was lower on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that does happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a finite example of that happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think more often, it's just that they value things a little bit differently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get to tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've been great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you're not filling well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I told you I would be very structured so we can get you out of here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My voice is going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's because I have an illness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not because I smoke eight packs of cigarettes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now this is not a question necessarily about prospects or about, you know, baseball operations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is more of like just a general baseball question, which is the Giants, uh, Buster Posey after or right around the time of the first half when the Giants were a pretty hot team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it actually gone into a tie with the Dodgers for first place in the NL West.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bob Melvin had an option, a team option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They picked it up mid-season and it was a little bit of a sign of confidence for old Bob.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like we said, since the devil strayed, the giants are like the worst team or one of the worst teams in baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So hasn't worked out great since then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there is some talk about whether or not they will actually have him back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they picked up the contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm assuming they have to pay the money just because of what what Buster did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's been talk about whether or not Bob comes back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been talking about this pretty much the whole season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My fun idea for Buster Posey is to bring Bruce Boachy back for three more years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now Boachy gets kind of forced out because of Farhan and Alex Pavlovitch has a really, really good book about just a giant history book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things that was really interesting that I don't even know if I realized back then, to when they were on on to Bryce Harper trying to get him to come in, one of the questions that Bryce Harper asked for his boat she was, well, are you going to be here if I signed?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Bruce Boach had to be honest with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I'm, I'm in my last year, like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I'm not really planning on it sort of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like the idea that, you know, we are new regime comes in and we got to push boat boat you out and and I get it, but now we kind of have the old regime back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just in a in a younger skin with with Buster Posey and I do wonder if Bruce but what Bruce boat she does well would

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of help buster put some of these things together and and and I think they would be if Bruce boat you was managing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the giants this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think they would be a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How much better is arguable because it's not like the the Rangers are killing it like they're kind of in the wild card race themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just I would find it to be kind of poetic justice that the guy who wins three world series is is semi forced out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's an older man now, but to come back and to help

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buster Posey figured this whole thing out would kind of be an interesting play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one that I think the fan base would embrace, what says you, the man with the smart baseball brain about this hair-brained idea that I have to bring Bruce Boachy back?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's certainly, you're not the first person that suggested this to me, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think this is something people have been talking about for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Boachy's out of contract with the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, I think even on the record,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that he's not considering retiring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my assumption is he's going to stay in taxes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did win the world series down there too, but, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reason you would pick Melvin's option up even if you're unsure about it is you don't want to put him in a lame duck scenario.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of organizations just don't would rather pay out the extra a couple million dollars than deal with the man's or being a lame duck all season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why you might do it in an undecided type scenario.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Melvin himself is a well respected veteran manager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know that

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[SPEAKER_01]: he's not like a buster posing manager, like if you told me, the buster pose he was hiring a manager, like sit on scene, like I would have had Bob Melvin pretty high up to the list of potential hires.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, there's a certain poetry to it, plus we know buster posing versus poetry are quite close, personally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, that's like a mentor type.

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[SPEAKER_01]: figure for posey, so it makes some sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that in reality, there's going to be a huge difference between wealth and poetry as managers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, they'll be cool or it'll be fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's possible, I think most likely as poetry just stays in taxes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think it's possible, he is going to be out of contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a little hard to do that kind of maneuver because it's hard to get boachy to sign up because he's not going to want to interview while Melvin still has the job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Having to fire Melvin without knowing that you're going to be able to get boachy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be a lot of respect there between

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[SPEAKER_01]: those two guys, particularly is, you know, one time veteran baseball guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to get I wanted to give Rob a little bit of attention here because he has an interesting idea and then we'll get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rob says boat you would be fun, but I want Nick Hunley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's young and fresh and is currently working under boat right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want him to lead this new core.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about Hunley?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's he's one of those guys that kind of pops up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a catcher for a long period of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's, I believe he's been in the front office, not the coaching staff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he hasn't, he hasn't have much, if any coaching experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as an office, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As a model, um, front office oriented former catcher, heady kind of catcher that had a really good reputation for pitcher handling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of teams actually have weight towards that direction for, um, field staff, you know, there's like, there's, everybody jokes about it, but the hiring pull for major league managers actually is former catcher a lot of the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it's not completely out of the question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, most managerial hires do have some kind of coaching or minor league managerial experience, but not a hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a hinge when he got hired, had almost this exact resume.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When he got hired, the first line of him in Arizona, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to resume, so that kind of that hired does happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a special assistant to young right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing is he's got a little bit of a giant's tie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was here for, I think a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And famously, he and Yasia Puig had worked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's always good for giant's fans as Yasia Puig and one of the most hated players ever in giant history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, this was fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a blast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always have a blast talking to you, just because I learned so much when I talked to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But really appreciate you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have anything coming up that you want to quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had an article on Peyton Talley coming out tomorrow on P.P.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, our books coming out eventually were starting prospect lists.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And after the world series, on like two months, because that never actually ends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a pick for the world series?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean no lock is a juggernaut do you know I mean Detroit just like feels like it feels like turning school balls gonna be able just like take over the post is in this year in a way that he wasn't really able to last year because the team around him's a lot better

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Milwaukee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just lost Trevor McGill or Closer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not clear if he's going to be back for the playoffs or not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a really good power bullpen arms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's kind of a hit to them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also that kind of baseball that they're playing, the really contact heavy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of pitching chaos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My all does tend to play pretty well in October now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'll go with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: God, this would be the worst.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: God, this would be the worst.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go with it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go with the Tigers and the Bros and the World Series and I'll take the Tigers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am interested.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Tigers at some point could call Kevin McGonagall, who we have is the top prospect in the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's tearing up double A right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Their actual problem is they don't really have anywhere to play him because they've gotten really good production out of labor, torres, and hobby bias.

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[SPEAKER_01]: this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's kind of a weird scenario where they don't have room for the top prospect as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, man, this was a blast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also shout out to Rob, who was hanging out with us in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully, hopefully, Brad will be back on Monday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe I think we'll be back right back in our normal slot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as always, Jared comes up in the clutch for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because it gives us a chance to talk about some stuff that Brad and I are not experts on in the least.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's great to have someone who has such a great reputation for this as Jared.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So thanks again, man, and I will do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, something crazy will happen and we'll already have a thing scheduled and it'll just happen when we're ready to talk to next time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, thanks for having me on, Garrett.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For Jared, I'm WG.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you when we see you piece out.