49ers Season Over: Seahawks Blowout Recap & A Look at the NFL Playoffs | We Want Winners

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rod Nairback here after the 49ers season was ended by the Seattle Seahawks in brutal fashion by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they couldn't put a little nicer instead of boat racing us as hard as they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was not fun to watch from our perspective, but I imagine lots of stuff that Kyle and John Lynch

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... have on tape there to study for for the offseason but rod let let's get to it uh... will talk about the game here but i'm interested in your perspective being that somebody asked me this today what are the worst forty nine or losses that you have experienced and we've been saying this all season long which is a we didn't think that this team was

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[SPEAKER_00]: necessarily a Super Bowl caliber team in the same way of previous Super Bowl caliber teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they just overachieved and they hung in there and they played their hearts out and, you know, they have a roster that doesn't really stack up against some of these other playoff teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And here they were in the divisional round.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think just everything kind of came to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like was this a bad one for you was this one like not that big of a deal like how did you how were you feeling as this game was going on and that the score was getting worse and worse and worse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was funny that you mentioned that because I started thinking along those lines and I didn't feel any, and I don't know if it's age or jadedness or what it is, but this didn't feel nearly as bad as the 49 three versus the giants and Montana gets knocked out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, that was, you know, and again, I was like 14 at the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was, I was still in the midst of, you know, when they would lose our Sunday, I'd be feeling it until like Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I, like, lived and died with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I have a bit more perspective now at this age.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't know, I guess I've kind of just filled all the long that we've been playing on, you know, kind of playing with the house as money and that

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[SPEAKER_01]: this shoe was ultimately going to drop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I thought they were going, I'm honest when I say I thought it was going to end last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was, I think as we discussed in last week's show, that I didn't think that we're going to win this week, but I hope I'm wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was last week, but yeah, it, it became pretty clear pretty quickly that if it wasn't,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Clear after that week a team game the this team was just way better than us and then once You know

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[SPEAKER_01]: In that stadium, in that environment, once it starts rolling against you, it's just one of those things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, at the beginning of the quarter, I'm like before and now before they scored that final touchdown, I'm like, well, we still have a chance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing is we got to score more in this quarter than we have in the previous 11 quarters in order to win this game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The odds probably aren't with us, but yeah, I was, it was more of a Gallo humor over here than any kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like real disappointment, I'm just, I am firmly in the place where I'm, I'm proud of those dudes and I think I had a great season and I, I'm looking at it more glass half full than glass half empty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was going to come to an end at some point and I, you know, I wish it would have been a more competitive game than it was, but, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that, you know, you always have to kind of caveat this season, and it's something that I've been, you know, just another place is outside of this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been like, look, show me another team who can lose an all pro like Nick Bosa and all pro like Fred Warner and all pro like George Kittle your number one right wide receiver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and those are players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another team that could lose all four of those players and still go out and win the Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not easy to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Take three guys off of Seattle's defensive

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jason like there are just a completely different team like just you're talking about having to mix and match with the with the roster and such and and that's just going to be like an insurmountable kind of thing so when you look at it from that perspective which I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: rational people do though, you know, looking at some stuff on Twitter and there was not rational people go, you know, that was seeing a lot of, you know, frustration about Kyle and my guys Kyle Kyle could have called the the game of his life and they would have still lost by 20 points like there's there's nothing there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I would have loved to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can't, you can't erase time where you can't take away things, but I would have loved to see them start off on defense the way that they wanted and fight and fight and fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then when you give a kick off a kick off or turn for a touchdown to start the game, it changes the entire way that they would have needed to play this game, the way that they would have won this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're talking about

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they play 10 times Seattle's probably winning seven or eight of these things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the one way the Niners could have won is you start the game even.

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[SPEAKER_00]: then you score and you play keep away and you play like you make this game long and this is like a ten seven game all the way into the fourth quarter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you give up a kick off or turn for a touchdown immediately, it changes the strategy of the way that they needed to play to win this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So right off at the gate, you're just like, okay, this thing is the things already getting away from us if you kind of understood the style of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It really was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is very well said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it just, it was like the, what happened was like the opposite of what we needed to have happened for this to go our way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just, you know, it was it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: get just kind of snowballed way too quickly for us to um, and you know, in an environment like that where it just gets so rock, rock is the energy was just, it was just too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the other thing that I wanted to see out of this game and it's something that I think we've both been thinking about, especially just from the overall league perspective, who's a Super Bowl contender.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was not convinced that Bonyx was going to be able to make the plays to beat the bills and

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, I didn't watch the whole game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have it on on my DVR.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't really like that interception very much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was an interesting play and it kind of changed the whole game there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then Bonix gets hurt and he's out for the AFC title game and Jared Stinnom is now QB1.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that just changes everything about what Denver can do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's so many

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seattle probably has the least questions because they're so good defensively the only thing you're wondering about is Sam Donald and I don't think we got any answers today because he didn't have to do anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of my friends in my one of my other discord he's a he's a Seahawks fan and he was like

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I was the coach, I would take Darnell out, and I was like, I don't think Darnell had to make a throw in the whole second half, like what are you wearing in my standing the ball off, like they don't have to pass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I understood he was talking to us, having fun with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That question has not been answered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you're a Seahawks fan, and I hope that it gets answered next week, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, you would hope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm saying this,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Saying that I hope the Rams win the game for that very reason like I have no love for the Rams I've no love for the Seahawks of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been the Seahawks specifically have been a pain in our rear Though the Rams have beat us into NFC title game more recently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to see I want some answers for us As we go into next year

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[SPEAKER_00]: about what what what we what we can do how we measure up like this is what we do on on Thompson to Clark with Brad and I We study the Dodgers not quite as close to as we study the giants, but in order to know enough about our team and what we can do you have to look at what the best team in front of you is doing so that's what I want to see the seahawks and the rams and the NFC title game I want to see

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know who we're who we're going to have to be as good as next year in order for the Niners to get back to where they want to be, but I also want to see if if Donald is the is the guy it can he make the big throws in the big game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he didn't have to do anything today, so there wasn't anything really positively or negatively about him, but I would love to see for my own eyes, like as Sam Donald, you know, can he do this thing, you know, when it counts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is 100% I've looking at it from that point of view is like how far are we really moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm sure we'll talk about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's really, there's very little little house game about this game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think we will be quickly pivoting to next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is going to be interesting to hear what you think, some of the

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[SPEAKER_01]: amongst the, our, our, in a C West pose because I don't know if how you look at it, but I have grown to see that that it's important to build your team to win the division, because you, that's, that's, you obviously the, the, the grand goal is to win the championship, but I think the first step to doing that is winning the division.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to be,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know you have to be looking at your competition there to see where you need to grow and get better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah that would be I am not sure change in the bears because they look like they've got something special going on this season and Caleb is kind of kind of growing into what

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess they would have hoped he would be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm, I'm expecting the ramps to win that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If people listen to this show last week, I hope they paid attention to what you were saying about some of the people in the secondary and I'll give you some some props here because you were talking about Siegel and saying how

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[SPEAKER_00]: very clearly, very athletic, very aggressive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to come up and hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you watch him in in the passing game, he's not good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that man proved you right tonight, something to hear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There, there was a moment where, uh, so they had finally, they finally make a play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, second and 20 or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Seagull is actually the one who made the play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe it may have been good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember, but soon thereafter, like I saw Seagull not in the right spot, and he had this look on his face, and he was just like, it was kind of, you know, we overused this term, the Deerin headlights, but it was very clearly,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the deer and headlights like I'm not exactly sure what I was supposed to do there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then on there, they're touched down play where Darnold was moving and then he floated the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the looter play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're not all green had gotten yanked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Looters in the game and Looters chasing Man all the way down the field and see Tom Brady been pointed it out He said Seagull was in no man's land.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had to make a choice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had which is, you know You're either gonna attack or you're gonna stay back and help and he did neither He stood in the middle and he had that same look on his face

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, man, this, you know, I mean, he's a young kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a big game for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get all of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is the stuff that you were talking about last week with this young secondary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, he didn't, it seemed Arnold didn't really have to throw except.

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[SPEAKER_00]: when there was up when it was third down and then he did have to throw in the Niners didn't really put up a fight in any way and so I hope people were listening to you last because you were explaining what your one of your big fears was for today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was having that conversation today with fans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like I'm, again, I'm rooting for this team to win all those sometimes it might seem like I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, I'm just pointing out what I've seen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: there wasn't a reason that Siegel had not been out there playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like they forgot that he was athletic and aggressive and can come downhill and play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was it was because

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[SPEAKER_01]: would not only make mistakes, but like this, that play is Market Seagull in a nutshell, is what you can't have it, is you can't be indecisive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to be wrong, I had a question you should say this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 40 years ago is like if you're going to be wrong you need to be wrong aggressively you can't be tentative and be wrong and that is make a decision and then you know just live with the consequences but yeah I you know that is one position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got number one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got three guys back there that are kind of the same player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Both Brown, Mustafa and Seagull.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all kind of that same guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all aggressive downhill.

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[SPEAKER_01]: wrapping up is optional and they struggle in coverage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that is one place, I don't know if they decide to address that in the draft or if you bring in a veteran, which I think that's what I think I would do is to kind of just bring, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: bring somebody in and hope that guy is in the hope that the one or two of those other three guys is able to take a step forward like if you want to talk about one Bryce spot in this game it was um D winner it was like a light went off with him because he's always been he's fast and he's athletic and you know it was clear early

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the end of last season and coming into this season, before he got hurt and all the ways he could get hurt, he was one of the best cover linebackers in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what we saw today was something that I had not really ever seen with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the closest he's ever looked to Drake Greenlaw in terms of aggressiveness and playing downhill.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, playing both the run and the past, which if nothing else develops from this game is that that he's able to bottle that and be this guy coming into next season, that is a great positive because

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[SPEAKER_01]: if he's that, then we are kind of back to where we were when we had, you know, Warner Green Law and, um, I'll show you here because I think Tatum Patoon showed that he might not be a second linebacker, but he's dead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he's your third linebacker,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you're in a pretty good spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is moving forward as long as, I mean, if they're talking about Fred could have played next week or the week after, then I'm assuming that he'll be good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, come mark or July for a training camp.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They look like if there's one group that is moving forward is going to be in a really good spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And let's be honest, we don't have many of those on this roster right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a whole lot of positions that are kind of influx.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like linebacker is one of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of the situation where Kyle was kind of going at green?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if that's why Louder was in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The announcer's kind of assumed that it was, but then he was in there again when they had a third down play and I don't even know who that receiver was by by Seattle, but he made a play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, the game was

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was closer than 41 to six, but, you know, it's pretty as close to being out of hand already, but that, you know, they had an opportunity for a stop and maybe hold for a field goal and he just gets a first down and it's looters in there and I saw a tweet by Matt Barrels and he's like, I'm not quite sure why Luther was actually in on that play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there, it seemed like there was some thought that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Green was getting hooked out of the game or Shannon has frustrated in the press or Shannon had just said It was an opportunity for him to coach and he was just wanting to coach aggressively to get I guess to get his point across about whatever was going on with a green Yeah, I saw on Twitter there was speculation that he blown I didn't like

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[SPEAKER_01]: don't, I can't, I couldn't see it on the television.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be able to see better later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he had blown the cover, John that first down the cup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why he got yanked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that, that I'm just going on that speculation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that was very interesting that, you know, Luther hasn't really got much run this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it was like those are some pretty big spots to be and even though, you know, we were down, but still we were definitely still in the game at that point, yeah, so if you had any thoughts about

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe when they were in the game, any strategy, any plays, the only one I think that is kind of a questionable play, and I guarantee you, Shining Hand wants this one back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're at a fourth and one, and they actually make the play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a pass to Jennings and Seattle had called a timeout like at the last possible

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was so loud in there that I don't think anybody heard that the whistles were blowing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of heard it through the TV, but I was just trying to figure out where the whistles coming from, because I didn't see a flag of any sort, and then they have to redo the play fourth and one again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They ran a play that I don't think I've ever seen them run, which was some sort of pitch to use check and he could either, or it was like a handoff to use check and he had the option to pitch it to CMC or the option to run it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we've seen this defense now two out of the last three weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing of that sort has worked against them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only shot we may have is that Brock Sneak that works or he's got lining up and make the pass again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're good, if there was a moment in the game where if they could have had a redo on it, I think that's the one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's the only one for the entire game because everything else was just so very specifically, you know, intentionally for the Seahawks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that one was kind of a weird one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's like one of the worst fourth-down calls I've ever seen from Shanahan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just wondering what you thought

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, what I, what is if that's the call in that position, we're cooked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because he, um, it felt like that, that is like the most desperate like all, I think I've ever seen because, you know, I don't, yeah, again, I'm not questioning his wake home, but I'm saying that is that is a pretty desperate, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a pretty desperate play called like it's like he doesn't think in any of this none of the the standard plays that I have one is she are giving me any guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have any confidence in any of these.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's go to the to the full back flee fucker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where that has to be on the back of the place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't it can't be that can't be one of your standard plays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I got a flashback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a flashback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to the Philadelphia game when Brock got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, wait, Brock shoulders out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do we do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is this play?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can't throw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's like, I got kind of got like a little bit of a deja vu.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, okay, no, this is just a really bad play that they're running here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, there was a desperation there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that was maybe Kyle was, uh, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the emotion of the game, like the maybe that was a little bit of a tell there that we don't have it tonight, but you know, they were missing George Kittle tonight and in a game like this against a team like this, that's a bigger loss than I think some folks may realize because he would have helped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the run game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would have, who do you want to throw five balls to Jake Tanjas and Luke Ferrell or do you want to throw those balls to George Kittle?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that's an obvious one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tanjas played okay until he didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got stripped and he fumbled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the one pass that Brock was really depending on Luke Ferrell to kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: be big a little bit and Luke Farrell just got ran right through as if he had like not play I mean I guess he hadn't I don't remember him being on the field before that and that was just a really bad play on his on his part It's gonna show up on Brock Stock Stat sheet, but I if you could put Interceptions on receivers, I would have put that one on him because he didn't do it look like

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[SPEAKER_01]: He looked like a guy who doesn't have the ball thrown to him very much because he did not react to it at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just kind of looked at it and hoped it was going to make it to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did not indeed make any sort of effort to go fight for that ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I say I talked that up to just he's not somebody who gets a lot of ball thrown his way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the old Ricky Waters for who for what kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, is there a dude thinking he's gonna get real?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, where were he?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where were his eyes?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what was he worried about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, Brock was running for his life again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not even, you know, I'm not sure what, there was a fourth down sack that he took that was just dominant puny, just getting run right through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there were moments where maybe if he was better than on time, he could have fit a ball in that he decided to hold on to, you know, I was talking to my son, JJ before the game and I was like, you know, they're cooked if Ricky Pierce had a good game today because he's the one guy that they would kind of depend on to give them some space down the field or find little pockets in the defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ricky had one play, pretty Ricky did not make that one play, and I'm not sure that he could fall thrown to him again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, I'm sure dealing with the knee thing he probably was not at his best, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: the fact that he could not do anything was a tell again that just this was not a team that was really well suited to beat Seattle and you know they need they need a burner that is that is one thing that you know that they need somebody who can stretch that feel but I feel like we've been saying that for three years and you know it still hasn't

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[SPEAKER_00]: like there was a possibility that that he could play at some point this season, but he hasn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about your James being available and getting some playing time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, whoa, what happened to be Rob?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they're just like, no, be Rob.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just just chill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to worry about this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you worry about it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you worry about it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you worry about it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kick off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to let you relax here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I know I'm going to state for the record the one thing that I am not worried about this all season is Brock birdie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am unlike a lot of people who want to throw a lot off how much money he makes and yada yada he didn't elevate the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess not, but I'm comfortable with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as long as they put comedy people around him, he can elevate this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a, he is a very good football player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, that's all I can say about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a very good football player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I don't want to get into the, the, how good and is he lead in his top five or like David Lombardi said he's the best quarterback in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about any of that, but I am confident that he is a very good linebacker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean quarterback, one of my favorite quarterback and that's one one position going into this office isn't that I'm not worried about not worried about rock pretty at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not that we can move off of him even if he wasn't, but I don't even think that's even a thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a very, very good quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the only thing I think I'd be worried about it a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you know, he did mistake games this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did get hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He came back though, you know, he played off of that toe and when he came back, they said that the toe was going to affect him for the rest of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just was not going to go away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully he gets over that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, outside of these two Seattle games, like he played really, really well at the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Philadelphia game, he didn't play perfectly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He made some mistakes, but he he brought them back when he needed to, which was we got to see what

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[SPEAKER_00]: we got to see the Brock party that we we really enjoy on that last drive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just wasn't happening today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't do anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Christian got a stinger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He came back in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got tackled again and dangling his arm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he was so that they took him out of the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's there's there what there I don't even know if there was a single

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[SPEAKER_00]: bright spot that you could even point to have like one and a half receivers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, you have to, you know, you have to grade that performance on a curve, I believe, because it's just, you know, he, like you said, he did not have a burner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, Joanne is, I've said it before people are talking about paying Joanne.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, Joanne, we have seen what Joanne is and Joanne is a very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a, why was he for three on a very good team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you go beyond that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You start trying to pay him like he's something other than that, that's when you get in trouble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause I just don't think he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that level of player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not to say isn't a good player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we get to the conversation of rebuilding this wide receiver room, I don't think that you can pay the type of money that I think Joanne Jennings has earned and have him be the centerpiece of that rebuild.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want him to

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they decide to pay him, that will be great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see it, but I would hope that he would not take a discount to stay here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he fully, after he risked everything and came out here and played on a one-year contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope he goes somewhere and finds something security.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to, that's the quantity though, is that I want him to get paid, and I want him to be financially secure, but I don't believe that this team should do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm, if that makes any sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does make sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to think of something else talk about before we talk about the rest of these playoffs, because,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I like watching, like I'm not someone who watches Sunday ticket every week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a lot of games and I keep them in a team and I keep up with my Niners, but in the playoffs, I do like to watch play off football because you're talking about the top teams and you're talking about the top coaches and I like to measure what I see week to week from the Niners against these teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Buffalo and Denver I didn't get to watch that game because we were at an outing so it was kind of like on a TV so I got to see it a little bit of the game but not everything and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Both teams are really, really good football teams, whether, you know, but everything seems to be so close, like there's not, there wasn't anything in that game that led me to believe that one team was clearly the better team or definitively the better team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is what the NFL wants and I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's it's why they're they're the king.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These games are so competitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now we fast forward to tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have the pads and you got Houston and it's funny and I don't know if this is bad luck or good luck But the second bonus goes down Everybody jump to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jared Stitham against the Patriots in the in the AFC Championship game and I was like, mmm, not so sure that none of it done deal like that because I saw, uh, I saw Dimeco's defense, put a hurting on old man Rogers on Monday night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying that Drake May is going to be as immobile as old men Rogers, absolutely not Drake May is actually a mobile quarterback, but if you were going to have some notes on Drake's performance in in the the first game of his playoff career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: against San Diego.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of it was like, he was not making necessarily the right decisions inside the pocket to give him to give his receiver some time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was, he had him in Herbert kind of played very similarly in a way that I thought, but Mace team is just a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's taken sacks and he's

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know throw in while he's getting hits that ball's kind of flying around around he does those things against Houston and in those those could turn into turnovers and six points going the other way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he's going to play better than he did some of that was just the first rookie playoff game struggles but the Patriots and the Texans is a really interesting matchup

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like because of the name New England Patriots and because of the name Houston Texans, there's more people penciling in the Patriots just for that reason, as long as CJ Strow doesn't screw this game up, I think the Texans are going to win, but I don't know how you saw that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was my immediate first thought I went the exact opposite way is that my dark horse is a lot more is further into the light, then it was an hour ago because I think that, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that they are a special defense and a Houston Texans Seattle Seahawks Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be very interesting because both of those defenses are lights out and they both have offensive questions like that's one of the big questions going into this game is that

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[SPEAKER_01]: last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's out already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they are going to be short their best playmaker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't put anything past that offense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like you kind of outlined previously, New England's offense is not fully formed at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a lot of

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[SPEAKER_01]: with what they've got going on there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's gonna be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that I think Houston wins that game and then I think they've got a really good chance to go in there and beat the Broncos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think you'd put money on either New England or Houston being the Broncos at this point with, you know, QB1 out for the year of the Broken ankle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then you have the rams and the bears now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to take anything away from the bears.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They

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[SPEAKER_00]: they were able to make a miraculous comeback against Green Bay and some of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least, I was frustrated watching that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had already known what had happened, but just the just the fact that Jordan love is firing this football down field when they got a nice little lead there and they just need to like milk the clock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of that is of course on the offensive coordinator.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The guy calling plays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but I do think that

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[SPEAKER_00]: If both teams are playing at the top level of their capability that the Rams are a little bit better than the Bears, my worry is that if I was a Rams fan, my worry would be just that the Bears are a low hungry, a little younger and

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're at home and it's going to be in the cold and, you know, staff, it's a little older, probably not necessarily the easiest thing to play in the cold for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be my worry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I hope we see a really good version of the Rams because again, I think I think the Rams and the C Hawks would be the best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: NFC championship game that we have left with with with the teams remaining so and and the bears you know the bears can prove that that that that they are what they were this year next year they're just going to get better they have a really good coach You know that their quarterback is going to continue to get better this is just what I want to see I want to see in some of it is because I feel like

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[SPEAKER_00]: we were right with both of these teams and so to see that to see your vision of what really good football is in your division and to see that play out and that's the team that comes out of the NFC that would be my choice because then it tells me well damn we were right there with them we could have been there that they're on the right track right so that that's my wish but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who would you have, would you have Seattle beat in the Rams, or would you have the Rams winning that game?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't know yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see what the Rams look like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, because Seattle gets out of this team on Skate, right, except for Sharbo know, which I don't I don't think he came back in the game, but they didn't really say what he was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wasn't sure what that, but other than that, they kept the they're going to be healthy and they have an extra day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They played Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The NFC championship is on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seattle's way, schedule wise, rest wise, and everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, if the ramps do come out of this or even the bears, they're going to have to hope that the health is the health luck is going to be on their side too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you want to circle back?

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[SPEAKER_00]: for both of the AFC and NFC title games Sunday evening and chip chat and then we did we did the Super Bowl as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we might as well just run it back for these next two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know the Niners are not playing, but we can, you know, we can still talk about the Niners is going to be some fallout from this week that, you know, they're going to do their exit interviews and everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we can talk a lot about that next week as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now we're on this, we're on solo watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to where on Solowatch, the Super Bowl's in Santa Clara.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is, you know, here there will be all kinds of stuff going on in my Santa Clara's like a hop skipping a jump from where I am.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanna see what's going on in Santa Clara.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Though I think everything is still happening in San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not even sure what's actually happening in Santa Clara.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll do all of those things for the next,

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I was planning an event, I would have my events and San Francisco too, if I had to choose, I don't know if I was coming from a cross country, I would want to be in the city.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many stories during Super Bowl week?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we're going to get of these investigative journalists going to the power plant and trying to find out why the Niners are having some nice talk issue energy is injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm talking about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh the Niners have actually been practicing in Santa Clara for over 20 years I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I don't know if that plant has been there the whole time like I'm gonna assume it was but because I remember going like my kids were tiny and we were going out there and uh you know they were getting autographed from Alex Smith and stuff so that thing has been so it would just be

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but yeah, I imagine, well, maybe we even get some investigative podcasts on the power plant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just call it a power plant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good name for a podcast, so yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, unfortunately, this game, there was not much, there wasn't anything really to dive deep into when it came to this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this pod is a little bit shorter, but, you know, I think, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we both kind of share the same sentiment, which is they took it as far as they could.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it gives us some interesting things to talk about during the off season for what they need, what they can draft for who they can pay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one other thing is, they cannot have another brand in IU situation, like they did kind of just hovering over the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the guys that you're going to pay make sure that they're going to be happy to play for your team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if not, then, you know, maybe you, you, uh, choose somebody else because that was something that they could not get away from all season long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, who would have been great out there today, catching passes was B.A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was not wrong the field to, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, the thing that I, the frustrates me so much and so much frustrates me with Jennifer Parag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think has been under reported and misunderstood if this was a decision that was made into life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That we know that we know now was made into life, which completely closed the door, which completely closed the door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to him returning this season logically there was no way that he was going to come out and play coming off that injury with no guaranteed money moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they effectively released him in July which in retrospect I just think was a bad business decision all the way around because

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[SPEAKER_01]: close the door to the possibility of him coming back, rehabbing his stock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it could have, it could have been sold as a win win to both of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, you can go out and show that you're 100 student healthy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It puts us in a position where maybe just maybe we can get something for you and you've got that you've got the one year of year and keep money there so some it's a contract that is still tradable because theoretically you could still try to trade him but and you know I've heard it forwarded by company shield.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they will embody that well his without the guaranteed money his cap number is just a million dollars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe they can just go ahead and keep him and make him honor his contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you just said, there's no end hell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's on this roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only question at this point is do they wait until after June 1st to release him or are they just going to bite the

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know out of their lives because like you say there's no way in hell you could you could try to from a leverage standpoint try to posture that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But nobody, you don't even believe that, you know, anybody wants to do this all over again, ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like you say, not only, like you just said, you said it great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that not only do they not want to go through this would be a, they don't want to go through this with anybody ever again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, this is it is a really, really unfortunate circumstance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's it's going to be interesting and we'll have plenty of time to talk about what

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[SPEAKER_01]: We believe this, you know, what this would shape, this roster will take next season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate everybody who was hanging out in the chat these last few weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had tons of people hanging out with this live online.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So of course, as always, want to give much love to our guys Shelvin who was hanging out with us for most of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, also, um, swoop 68 had, uh, maybe the best comment of all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some days you're the windshield, some days you're the bug onto the next season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, BBQ's beers who said Pinero was the only, I guess we had, I guess that was the lone bright spot because George Kittle was wearing his jersey today at his pad watching the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, Pinero was fantastic all year long, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The kick off, maybe kick it off to that dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we should just booty that thing through the end zone just start the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rod and I will be back next week after both championship games and we'll have some follow up from the Niners end of their season and all their exit interviews and Kiles and John's last press conference is in everything and we'll go over the the two games that the the championship games next week which I'm super interested in I love play a football.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so that is it for Rod, I am WG, we will see you when we see you piece out.