2026 WNBA Draft: Who Should the Valkyries Take? | Podhalla

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right is another episode of Pad Halla, a pre-WMBA draft episode of Pad Halla, and I guess you could say a pre-WMBA free agency announcement, deal signing announcement edition of Pad Halla

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[SPEAKER_01]: This sometime this weekend in Monday and in early next weekend, we're going to see a lot of news and traction for things about the WNBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Brian, we recorded an interview with the conradal pass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and that is going to play at the end of this episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked Valkyries free agency.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked current players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll save most of that chat for the interview with conradal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess I do want to just mention the reserved qualifying offers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here for on a convertant in Katelyn Chen, Rupair, Solan, Xandalisini, all were extended qualifying offers that just sort of had to happen or was going to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So not really news there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that is really kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: The newest Valkyries information, as we wait until the draft, as we wait until free agency, do you have a feel, is there a thought that

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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe they do sign somebody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they're able to bring somebody in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of your main targets Jackie Young, the rumor or the report is that she's more than likely re-signing for the max with her current aces team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she would be theoretically off the table as that goes to fruition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But do you think we're actually going to see somebody or do you think it's going to be maybe a lesser player not a top tier kind of player or are we just going to get Depth pieces and rely on what we have and some of the young players coming in as well as this current draft.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to spoil too much because we talk about it in the conrato interview, but.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I do feel like they are going to get someone in an all-star caliber player or a all-star potential caliber player if they haven't yet been in all-star, but you know, I think they feel like they missed out last year and I think they thought they were going to get people and then they didn't and then they just went on and put on tape just like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, a whole thing to free agents of like you guys missed out you guys should have came here and you know I think you know when you hear stuff going on like there were there's legit just an interview with I think it was a Rebecca Allen who was talking about

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[SPEAKER_02]: her situation with the Chicago sky and that in what they were literally like sharing maybe some type of practice like change room with like regular people and so like just and I'm saying that just to say like the Valkyries have like top of the line stuff they have a practice facility that's completely dedicated to Valkyries only in Oakland and then you know they have the chase center that they share with the warriors they have their own locker rooms like I think that stuff does go a long way it's something that we talked about leading up to the free agency and

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[SPEAKER_02]: Although, free agency has been kind of a slow start, I guess, and when I say that I just mean that we don't have like the shams, woes that's just like has their hands on where people just reaching out to them and like reporting stuff like that's not as there and in the WMBA yet so and maybe the WMBA just doesn't tamper as much as the MBA does on a regular basis, but we don't it feels like it's came out a little slow, but I still think they're going to get someone and.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would be pretty surprised if they didn't because I just feel like it was, if I was a forageant, I would be like, okay, so I could leave this potential current situation that just doesn't have the facilities and the amenities that this other franchise has, and they haven't given out their max contract yet, so I could just grab that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I'm, well, that's, honestly, kind of coming from a more dire point of like if we get later into the free agency in the boundary still haven't gotten someone I still think there could be a, like a little, will project Hail Mary, the Hail Mary, uh, person they can add to their roster near the end there if they still haven't really dished out a max gallery slot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I would be pretty surprised.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would, I would love to see the stories on if they don't land someone and like what the hell it wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would be crazy because Joe Lake of just just being Joe Lake of he kind of invites the criticism if he doesn't land something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there has been some other non-valkyries news.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the feels like it was forever ago, but it really wasn't South Carolina.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They go and beat Yukon in the upset of the year and then they get blasted by UCLA UCLA wins the women's national champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then they danced.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the trades that have happened in the WNBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So far, Angel Reese goes to Atlanta.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's a YouTube short sometime last year when she started to have some issues with Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were like, oh, I wonder what the Valks be interested in Angel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here she is, she's going to go to Atlanta.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to play with some actual bigs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in return, Chicago gets a 2027 and a 2028 first round pick and a second round pick swap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as you'll hear in the conversation with Conrado, kind of interesting because

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those two drafts are probably going to be bigger with a bigger higher ceiling talent than this current one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to trade those those picks is kind of an interesting thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think about an angel getting moved?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that, you know, I think we had maybe come to the conclusion in the YouTube reel or YouTube short that we did that like maybe, you know, the Valkyries wouldn't be in play for an Angel Reese, but shoot at that price.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like Angel Reese is who you want to get from the 2027 first, the 2028 first.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's who you're hoping to draft.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I just don't like her value to me is just way more than than the return they got and that feels like it kind of feels like Chicago even though we've only been really covering the WMBA for two and a half years and I've been you know paying attention for maybe three to four feels like the Chicago sky are just like kind of far and away the most poverty organization in the league and just in terms of like how.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, the just like the most mind scratching great a head scratching moves that they make is just like how why did you do that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: How did you come to that conclusion?

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[SPEAKER_02]: How many times I kind of looked a little bit in the Jeff Pagley who's there and I don't know if I'm pronouncing the GM right, but the GM's last name right, but that's who their GM is and it sounds like his previous background and I don't know how many times this happens in the W or the NBA, but it looks like he was one of those

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[SPEAKER_02]: like NBA college men's basketball, just like trainers like summer trainers or offseason trainers where you know you see those videos of like a player just like putting up reps you know we saw those Jonathan coming up videos over the summer of like him working out in Florida like he's just he was like one of those trainers and to go from that position to the general manager just feels like completely different field and I don't know how often it happens but that's who Chicago's uh general manager is right now

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, clearly not working out because I think

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when there's a star player that's being traded, it's usually like a older star player.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, you know, what the warriors are going through with Yannas, where it's like, we all, we need all of your draft capital and we also need young players in return to make this make sense for us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Angel's not at like the Yannas level, of course, but she's also like in her second year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she is the young player.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, how do you, what is the return like for the star young player at her level?

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[SPEAKER_02]: and it's definitely way more than what I would have happily given up that price for the values because that is who you try to get.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not guaranteed in the draft that players are going to turn out the way that angel turns out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would 100% have done it even though those two draft classes are supposed to be a little loaded.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You'd hope that with angel like, you know, we're just a consistent playoff team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got to, you got to wonder, you know, do to the expect Atlanta to fade to where those picks are like top three or top four because that's where the value is going to be if they're not, you know, they're, you know, the WBA is going to expand to what 18 teams in the next four years wasn't weren't they like the number two or three team in the league last year and they just added Angel Reese.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't think we can justify Chicago's thinking that much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you can't say, like, I wonder if they were thinking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know what they were thinking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what they were thinking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I need, this is, this is where we need more coverage in the W, because like, where are the five articles out there that like, I know there have been some, like, I think any costable might have done one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone else might have done one Alexa Philip who might have done one, but like just that like that Marcus Thompson piece You know that just like that column that just goes in and like really analyzes what was going on the whole time Diamond Miller was traded from the Dallas wings to the Connecticut sun for riot marshal That was you know a USD center with juju and kiki last year So another move and then there was a reported move

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ariel atkins for Ricky at jacks and I don't think that's actually been finalized It might just be a heavy rumor at this point, but I've seen that one as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there is movement And we'll see what happens in Valkyries land still.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, Valkyries trade ever, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We still have not ever made a trade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, first one's got to go crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the first one is got it's going to be historic because it'll be their first trade ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to just be like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Katelyn Chen for a third round day or so, so when we talk to Colorado, we go through some questions that came from the discord, because the discord's kind of it on fire these this last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to join the discord and talk Valkyries Hoops and other Bay Area sports, the link is in the

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[SPEAKER_01]: podcast right up as well as the YouTube video so come hang out with us and chit chat monday i imagine will be pretty lively i'll actually be on vacation but i'll all i'll be checking in with folks so uh so yeah um all right anything else before we throw it to the interview with conrano just throw it to the interview man all right so let's talk to conrano

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now joining us is a Conrado Pasqual who has been on this show before and Bren and I have used his work to reference the his mock drafts prior and you know, I think the main the main difference between your mock drafts and every other mock draft that is out there is you've been holding firm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That Azifut is your number one choice, even when the Awafam stuff came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You still had her over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Awa, now I've seen Awa slip in some mock drafts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've also seen Azif slip in some mock drafts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you stand right now with your mock draft as we are?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just a few days in the NBA draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: yeah well thank you again for having me back um you know uh i'm actually more of a a big board guy as opposed to mock draft but i mean in the spirit of the occasion i finally did or i finally participated in one mock draft um so i actually released that uh with some of my um my co-workers at the center hub we released part one of our mock draft which is basically just the lottery and the two expansion teams um and yeah we still have AZFUD at number one

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so to to give that update, um, yeah, still I would say firm, but I mean, you know, if you had taken a look at my big boards throughout this dress cycle, I have

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[SPEAKER_00]: have AZ and all of a family in the same tier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not me just trying to sit on the fence, but like, you know, I feel like they each offer something so appealing to any teams that they both kind of warrant consideration for, you know, the top pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could easily make a compelling argument for either of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as it pertains to AZ for me, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I kind of watched or I did watch the previous episode where Brian was kind of discussing his thoughts on our fam and asy and I don't necessarily disagree with any of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think the thing about for me though is when we talk about upside, are you talking about an individual player's upside or are you talking about the teams upside?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because ultimately, I mean basketball is a game five on five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just five one on one matchups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just feel that like AZ, I mean everyone will definitely refer to spacing, gravity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, just like the overall connectivity that she provides a team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for me specifically, I just

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't find any even the players at the top of this draft class.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think any of them, like, by themselves, are, like, true franchise players, like, at best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I see the top of the draft class as, like, really great, one-bees may be, like, overqualified, number two options.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so because of that, like again, I try to look at which player can potentially bring the most lineup versatility, which player allows for the team to play different styles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, as he just has so much portability,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, it doesn't matter what kind of system, what kind of style, what kind of play you're trying to execute, she can be involved in it, not to say that all a fan can, it's just, that's kind of where I am with it, so yeah, as you still want all a family's number two, they're they're definitely firmly my one two in this job class.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like we're a little like separated or just like it's been it's been a year, a little over a year since we saw them last played together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But so it was like an argument.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like in the early part of the draft cycle, but it just hasn't been used as of late.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the fact that we've seen page and asie win at like the highest level that they could win at at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, so it would make sense to to pair them together again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I feel like

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know how you feel about this, but I guess it feel like it's something I've been thinking about probably a while ago and then it just came back, but like as warriors fans like we watched Clay Thompson and I kind of feel like to me like AZ is just like one of those shooters where it's just like

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[SPEAKER_02]: I almost remember when Clay won the three point contest, Andre Agadala finally said all the best three point shooter in the world won the three point cut point cut.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Clay just has the purest form and I feel like that's how I feel when I watch Asie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just looks like the purest form.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like how your coach is teach you how to shoot it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas Steph's looks like more fluid and off the ball and like Paige just feels like more off the ball but like Asie's in Clay's is just like oh they're like catching shoot demons like you know some

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, all those other ways you can like just catch the ball and shoot it, whether it's leaning, fading, like it just looks like picture perfect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think anyone is denying AZ's three point shooting ability.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I think I've basically deferred to you in terms of who should go number one, as similar as your co-host in the in the draft pot, or you just like, you know, I just, I'm not as tapped as you are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I, I, I, I think that I do feel this, this draft has had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Once like the last time that it's been so much discussion for number one and you know like I've seen since

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[SPEAKER_02]: UCLA won the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I've seen like three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's sometimes even four players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think I saw one Lauren bed's number one mocked your F and I was like, that's not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's the only one I've seen and maybe the only one I will see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I've seen some Olivia one similar to the the reason you brought up on the show, which is like it's page a true point guard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you want to pair her with a more of a point guard, or you know, I will of course because of six four and can pass the ball with the IQ that she has.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, then as you of course, like how how once the last time it's been like this,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, again, even though you could say like our fan and Lauren bets are both centers like again, the manner in which they play the position could not be any more different, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, like the players that we all believe, and then you factor in Olivia Miles, the players that you believe could be in consideration for the number one pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're also very different, you know, that's the thing about doing a big board as opposed to mock draft because even though like I published my

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[SPEAKER_00]: first big board like after the NBA or the WNBA draft lottery was confirmed or established.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still had, like, AZ and Awa one two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the sense that, again, just in the proverbial vacuum, kind of like, who do you like?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who do you think can offer you the most?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who do you think can help amplify what the team or perhaps what the team's franchise player does best?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of how I've approached it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you could have made a very compelling argument for a lot of those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you, Brian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think at this point, I would be surprised if Dallas took anyone who isn't our family easy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and that's now no shade to Lauren Betts or Olivia Miles, but again, I think just in terms of what they do, stylistically, not sure that those two players pair as nicely or as fluidly with page beckers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now ever since we started paying attention to the mock draft this year,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Asian hour one and two or two and one, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden, this past week, we started to see some differences.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Brian said, Olivia Miles number one, I saw a mock draft today by Sabrina Merchant where she had Asi dropped to four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in that same mock draft, she wrote,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that it was a bit of a toss-up between Azy and Kiki for her at four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of wondering, why do you think all of a sudden after the tournament that Azy has shown movement because pre-ternament, she was at least a solidified number two and in some cases number one,

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[SPEAKER_01]: is do you think that this has something to do with what some of these reporters are hearing from the teams?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does it have something to do with how she played in the tournament?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any sense to why maybe folks are thinking that she's dropping?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I think like I said, these mock drafts, the reason why I don't really put too much weight into mock drafts, even the ones I do myself, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's because we're trying to make either educated guesses on what we believe the front offices would do, or what we would do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously we're not the front offices, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, you take all this with a grain of salt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just like to look at them and kind of gather

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[SPEAKER_00]: different perspectives, you know, and try to see why these writers would associate those players with these specific teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But with regards to like AZ kind of going up and down in the lottery, and even Kiki going up and down, maybe in the opposite direction, kind of going up a little bit

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I do think there's a certain element of recency bias, you know, but I think that's where, you know, media fans are different than executives, you know, general managers and scouts, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're, their e-values aren't based on one grade or on one game or one tournament, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even based on one season's worth of data.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: an evil based on multiple years, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're going to go back probably all the way to in terms of like collegiate players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to go all the way back to like their high school days and, you know, in terms of like the international players like their

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[SPEAKER_00]: junior club, you know, days or you 16 play, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, but I think, um, if, you know, if a player like say Kiki Rice is kind of ascending these mock drafts, I think it's more, I want to give Kiki Rice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very high on her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's, you know, more like she has continued to show at the highest level that her level play is sustainable, you know, and kind of showing like a

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, with regards to lineups and game situation, um, so in the same thing with Lauren Bets, you know, I think she basically, I mean, I wouldn't say she went out of a way to prove people wrong, but I think there were just like a lot of assumptions about her game that people kind of thought because of like her, you know, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: her biometrics or her just her overall general player archetype, you know, that there are certain things that she couldn't do and yet she did those things and she did them consistently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's kind of where it gives, you know, these writers, these analysts, a little bit of room to, you know, kind of reconsider, you know, their rankings.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I was one of those people who assumed on Lauren Betts archetype.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those past couple of games meant I was just like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can someone just like, I feel like everyone was just going right at bets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's exactly what you like she wants you to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She wants you to go right out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or that's, and that's going to work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But even when she was getting switched out into the perimeter, and she was able to defend out there, but also some of that was, I kind of felt like maybe South Carolina didn't have spacing correctly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like how many O-Cott threes were taken?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Another big took a three, and I was just like, this is just playing this perfect for bets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I do feel like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I was a little lower on the archetype whereas as now I'm just like, okay, like, what the hell was I talking about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think earlier I actually in the tournament, the game against UCLA's game versus Oklahoma State, I think that was some of like her best game film in terms of her ability to just switch on to like fast, shift your guards and like really contain them, you know, not chase them around, but Lilly contain them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as I said, like, um, I'm glad you tuned into my last podcast indie basketball, but, you know, Lauren has been playing essentially, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, UCLA's championship lineup was essentially four guards and Lauren, I mean, at the WNBA level, she will get the opportunity to play with other bigs, right, with like a true power forward, you know, and a long wing, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that'll only just further amplify what she does best, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I think there's, again, even though I said I don't think any of them are franchise players, I think they all bring something really unique, like at an early level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we asked for some questions in our discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, there are three draft questions, and then one more Valks question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, we'll talk about this and then we'll go into kind of who is available for the Valks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that you did your mock or, but it only went through, was it the first seven picks?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're saving the Valks pick, but we can still talk about it, and then we can all kind of give our predictions on who we think might be available.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like I said, with all the movement in the mocks, it's kind of interesting to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not that it means anything, just the idea that these writers may be hearing things about some of the movement as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it'll make

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the discord, who has the most upside in the draft of players who might be around when the Valkyries pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, anyone who's followed me knows that I am extremely high on Spanish guard Eonomartine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was even before we lost Carl Alate in the expansion draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, depending on some mock drafts as Brian was saying right there's some that have Eonomartine like going last in the first round there are some recently had are going up as high as six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For me personally, I think she's closer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think her upside is closer to that of like, say, an Olivia miles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even then she's necessarily raw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, she's younger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's been like for those that are kind of like, at least somewhat skeptical or hesitant to take her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, like say like around the expansion draft range or the expansion teams range, I think, you know, they usually cite her strength, you know, kind of like average athleticism, but I don't know, I see that as a positive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know i mean her game is not strength base it's not speed base that's not to say that she's slow and weak you know but again she has arguably one of the best pick and roll point guards uh in this draft class you know probably right there with Olivia again just highly decorated and experience playing you know uh in both ure league and feeba competition

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very cerebral player who I've been on other podcasts and I said the same thing right if she's available at eight she's not going to make it to the balance in the second round and again, if you're talking about you want to chase that upside I really like you on a martines upside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Brandi I thought so no one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, I think I've spoken a little bit about Ion on this podcast and, you know, I remember watching her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the first time was Eurobasket and I think she went down with like some type of injury or maybe some type of medical condition a little bit way through that tournament, but you could just see like how talented she was pretty early, even that game against

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[SPEAKER_02]: the US, you know, just a couple weeks ago, like I don't remember what her final statline was, but I just remember seeing like a fearlessness.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like that might be the only thing that her and Carla have in common is just like smaller guard fearlessness.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like she's pretty talented around the perimeter where Carla was just trying to dive into the rim and show their her fearlessness to get to the bucket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, no, I think Yana's really talented and I wonder like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have someone who was in the front office that's now in Portland that I imagine things a similar way in Vanya, Sernovic, and I wonder if she gets taken there, if there's another enelangloma that's also been mocked to the Valkyries, if that's where she gets taken to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of feel like Portland goes international, but that's purely because of who her GM is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and now in gloom I'm glad you mentioned she's also one I would have also offered as an answer to this question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you guys have talked about her like I think you had had an entire show or segment About now and gloma and I think you had some great opinions to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like she's classified as a guard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she's guard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I personally think she's more of a wing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's still growing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she'll

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, her game is a lot like predicated again, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to put pressure on the rim, slashing, getting inside, finishing around the, around the basket.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a very unique game overall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you don't see that type of combination of skills in anyone player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's kind of where like a lot of the intrigue comes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would definitely not be against it, if the Valks selector or we're definitely considering her in that range.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right next question only now worry though just like kind of talk just keep keeping on the nothing for just one more point is and I don't know you might have heard a say it already if you listen to the one segment but I kind of am worried about like

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, now there's like a new addition to this where at first I was like, do you want, you know, you have you stay coming in right who's essentially going to be a rookie who, you know, maybe has some defensive questions and I just wonder like you bring in now and gloma who has like, you know, big three point questions like I wonder if you classify any of them or both of them as projects and do you want both.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to, you know, we've us all us three being also from the Bay Area seeing how the warriors kind of two time and thing played out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you just want to like dedicate, you know, two rookies, like I'm just like, do you don't you just want to like the developmental process developmental having a two young players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would almost be worried about having like two potential projects and being having to like split the developmental focus, which is sometimes where I lean.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know what the draft is like best player available, best player available, but like leaning towards players who might be able to come in and contribute right away, whether that be Gabriella Hakez, whether that be Raven Johnson, where you just know the defense is there, and the three-point shot might come along if it's not already.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But just like, I'm worried about just like, I want all the eggs in the use day basket, and I'm worried that if Nell came, it would be like, you know, trying to make both work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't think Nell would do the use day thing where you stay,

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[SPEAKER_02]: in France for a year, whatever league she's going to be in and come in the following year because of the money is different, you know, it's not she's not sitting on $66,000, she's going to be missing out on $2,300, you know, $3,000.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think that's a fair point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to say concern.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a fair point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the only thing I would say or not the only, but if I were to assuage those concerns,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is that I think I don't really see you stay as much of a project as some people think I think she's going to be new to the WNBA, that's obvious, and I'm sure I suppose there's an acclamation period for anyone new coming to the league, but I think her game is a lot more polished, you know, specifically like her shock creation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's great is that you know again

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about her as potentially having the ability to play point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she'll ever truly be like an exclusive point guard in the W. Advage, certainly not for the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, what has now in the Cossay have been asking for it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She wants more playmakers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She wants more people who can actually create with the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So even if she's not the primary facilitator or playmaker,

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[SPEAKER_00]: she has that ability to, you know, kind of create when the ball swings to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually think she's going to step into a role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I could be wrong, but I just feel like there's less developmental.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you on now, because again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm high on what I believe her play archetype to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think it's going to take time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If that's actually what they want her to be, like what we've seen her do in France, then it's going to take time for an acclimate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, she will probably have some speed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's very springy, like a speed advantage, she'll, you know, but again, she can't just expect to power through defenders.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like she did overseas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, next question from Sugo says, which positions do you think the valves are trying to upgrade?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they fixing weaknesses or doubling down on strengths?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this could be draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This could be free agent question as well, but so take your pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think they'll try to, you know, fix their weaknesses through both realistically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, on my podcast, it means what East meets West, you know, Valtz Insider, Kenzo Fakut, and I were talking just about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We said the three areas that they have made clear, they need to address.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They want more shock creation, like legitimate shock creation off the dribble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw how much like when things bogged down the half court.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no ball of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're hoisting up, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like highly contested threes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then they want like legitimate three-point shooting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously bringing Chetchie and Eliana back is great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not taking a step back, but they want to add more to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I think we need a true,

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[SPEAKER_00]: a true interior presence, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's again, no shade to tell me if I've been lay or Monique Billings, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we do need someone who is more of a kind of consistent option, you know, around the rim on both ends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'd ideally like a more traditional rim protector.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kenzo seems to think that their priority is like the first priority of those three is shock creation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, maybe like a guard or wing to pair VB with, you know, KT is great, but KT, you know, having her tried to split the defense off the devil.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not really her thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we saw what's very, what she can kind of get downhill and then kind of, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Kenzo thinks they should be going after, you know, like, yeah, like a guard or wing, is that a, you know, start a couple of names, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that like a sock to sobly?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, right before we hopped on here, Jackie Young said she's going back to the ACES, so we have to take her out of the board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Clay at Copper, she wasn't cord, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone of that ilk, me, I think the area witness they need to fix my opinion, what they should be fixing first is center.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that's going to have to come through free agency.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, as Brian was saying on previous episodes, it's not the deepest center draft class, like a center is not the deepest position in this draft class, um, definitely not going to find the same caliber of center at pick eight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think I wouldn't be surprised if Ohema and Natalie are going to be very aggressive in trying to entice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of these reagents centers to to come to the bay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hold your thoughts right up the number eight pick for as you Maggogor And what's the other even take that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean Number eight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could imagine they'd at least consider it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's actually a good value for a player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If she's saying she doesn't want to return, you know, I mean, I think that actually is pretty good value relative to, you know, given that, you know, the Valks would be willing to pay her what she believes she's worth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, through, can I jump, or are you going to jump to the next question?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of had a fall up here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Please, no, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can follow up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I was gonna ask you before you brought up Satu, as I feel like, I think you and Kenzo did your podcast before Satu put out that Instagram post that she was not gonna return to Phoenix.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, but I'm almost wondering like, you don't like, of course.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Satu's really talented.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just feel like that position is like the one I'm least worried about with, you know, the rotating forward rotation of whether it be KT and Janelle the start, whether it be Janelle and Chetchi to start like those three KT Janelle and Chetchi and even Iliana repair when she plays the four next to a five like I just feel like that three four is like that's kind of the position I feel like I'm least worried about, but I understand like you don't deny a talent like Satu.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you that like, you know, you would throw a jack you throw.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know Jackie's gone now, but you throw a clear copper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are my two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are the ones from like can we throw the bag at them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And also with the five I've tossed around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: as he Macbook or before she was cord.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not as Hillman who I believe is a restricted free agent and then a lot of Smith after she made her announcement.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to say there was one more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I like to secure Austin too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But just like an upgrade at five, I think we're on the same page there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, would you, if Sautu was like, I want to come, do you pay her?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, do you say come?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're talented with how to doubt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you'd be the most talented player on the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I definitely would seriously consider it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is, though, again, like, I mean, that's the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's see, VB will get paid, but I mean, for the most part, we don't have any other, yeah, we don't really have any other max salaries on our capture or we're not expecting to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, like Chetchi is not going to command that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I think we could actually bring in two max players agreed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why if saw two is one of them cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would try to investigate see see which of these guards or wings like true guard or wings are available first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, while also.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, right, canvassing the open market for centers because all those options that you Listed I like pretty much all of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think they all bring something really unique to the table and definitely something that we didn't have last season So I'd be down Okay, yeah, I like our I like our centers too, but yeah, I think the upgrade upgrades probably needed

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there was, right before I hopped on, one of my peers, Nasi Simmons, he does a lot of analytics for both NBA, WNBA, you know, and he posted a graph of like in terms of all the players who had defended Asia Wilson last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He showed the number of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: number of possessions that they defended Asia, straight up, and then how many points they conceded, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Telly was like, telly was actually right in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She actually wasn't that bad, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I tweeted that like the level of production that Tammy gave is actually pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty good for a backup center saying by she was

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[SPEAKER_00]: starting, you know, and it's not just the total minutes, but how long each shift is, you know, and that's why, like I would be more than happy to if she came back, but I would prefer there's someone ahead of her on the death chart, you know, agreed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, put a pin in the Kayla Thornton thing will come back at the last question, but our second the last question is from killer cam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you see the Vox trading up or down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and who are the players worth trading up for now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying, you know, this is just based off of the mock drafts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when you see someone like AZFUD drop in a mock and you're like, oh my gosh, she's not in the top three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't know, you know, you I don't know that the values are interested in giving, you know, giving away future assets to move up in a draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if we've, I don't know historically if this has happened too often in a WMBA draft,

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[SPEAKER_01]: theoretically, if AZ will all of a sudden fell out of the top three or the top four, like would that be enticing to go, hey, maybe we can go get her like she's a top two level of a prospect and she's dropping for some reason and she's, you know, going back to what Brian was saying about a project kind of player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's an older player who's been playing at a very high level

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there something like that, like an AZ fund or another player, where you may consider, like, hey, what does it take to actually move up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just kind of knowing what we know about both, now in the Kasey and O'Hemenyanin, like I could definitely see them being interested in both AZ-Fud and Awafam, you know, no specific order.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, in this hypothetical scenario you're saying, if AZ-Fed fell outside of the top four, I think they would strongly consider it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, trading up from eight to five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: things, but still, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's at least doable where you're not necessarily having to mortgage a lot of featured draft capital.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but for example, if this was a couple months ago when we're like, okay, easy and awa, there's no way either them are going outside the top two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be hard for them to trade from eight to two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, um, but I always felt like I still think Minnesota could entertain trading the number

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, yeah, you know the cap hold the cap hit for the number two overall pick and you know like for such a veteran laden team is that how you want to like allocate your cap space so that's why I was kind of thought maybe there could be like some kind of long shot trade between the balconies and the Minnesota links, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, if either them to drop, I think it would probably be those two though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they would necessarily entertain because you, we know Joe Lake up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he doesn't like to like sacrifice future draft capital if he doesn't have do and I'm not like trying to again, they're a shade of Joe Lake up, but that's the thing about the WNBA as opposed to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: NBA, right, we know for a fact who's going to be in the upcoming draft classes, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like dude, you want at least a shot at getting one of those players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If something happens, like if this season goes south, you want to have at least, you know, a non-zero percent chance at getting like a a judo walk-ins, a Hannah Hadalgar, whomever you think, you know, I'm high on player strike, but you know, you

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, it's a good point, like unless you're like tapped into that the high school scene for like the MBA, which you're really just seeing like these players one and done in college, but on the women side, you know, we've seen jujuts and she was a freshman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've seen Sarah strong for now two years and like I think we could probably confidently say like those two drafts are going to be better than this one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like those, I'm sure those first round picks probably have a lot of value to teams and if you give up one of them, you probably could move up right if you just give up one of those picks, you probably could move up, but do you want to give up one of those picks?

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[SPEAKER_02]: knowing that those two drafts are going to be pretty talented.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, all the teams are saying the right things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We want to compete.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We want to build a winning culture, but they're not saying let's foul Seth Curry while we're winning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When we're up, when we're in the lead with 330 to go, I'm going to intentionally foul Seth Curry, I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I've been talking about this, right, like for 20 years, WNBA had the same 12 teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Eight teams make the playoffs, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could literally just, you know, kind of accidentally make the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now we're at 15, still only eight teams going to the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's a lot easier to tank now and you have a lot more incentive to tank now like I know people don't like to think tanking happens in the dub but I don't know man you know I don't these new front offices you're hiring a lot of former NBA execs I'm just saying right like all right here's the Kayla question

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[SPEAKER_01]: from Taffo 155.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How does Kayla reintegrate back into the team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this question was based on the idea that she got hurt and the team did not really skip a beat from a winning perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you reintegrate their loan all star last year back into a team that seemed

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for me, I do think even again, that our overall record was still pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe in terms of net rating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there wasn't much of a difference right after KT was ruled out with a season ending injury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, if you look at it from game to game, we lacked a closer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, VB, she did a great job in certain games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, everybody's able to kind of like, especially like if we were like trying to do like force to switch and yet we're still not creating any separation, right, you know, in those early games when when when the values were building momentum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Prior to Katie going down, right, like she was literally closing games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think we could say that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She essentially won us at least four of those, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Four or five in the her fourth quarter her relics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think she might not have to shoulder as much of a load this year, but I think that's still an element that she brings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think that her game necessarily

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[SPEAKER_00]: requires us to deviate from structure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think she's just a very intuitive and cerebral player that, you know, Nicosia's reading react system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she'll show fit right back in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The question, though, is again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Depending on who we bring into the fold, will that affect Katie's ability to kind of find her rhythm, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: While I think she did do great last season, let's be real with a significantly higher usage than she had in her previous years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her efficiency went down significantly so maybe we can try to help refine like that happy medium right we're like slightly lower usage more efficiency and then all around right the ball zippin

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know the question wasn't even directed to me, but I almost wanted to echo your point of like, well, it was actually direct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was actually directed to you in in the discord, but I saved it for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for this like to echo your point, though, is like, I don't remember for fact, but I feel like didn't they kind of play well when the Eurobasket players left to like the record was still kind of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like solid, you know, like when when KT was there, they were like doing pretty well when the Euro basket players left, they were doing pretty fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then when KT goes down, like they kind of end the season, fine, I almost wonder like, you know, Natalie in a Cossay is like, just whoever's out there, just like, they're gonna try their hardest, and like that's the culture they've built is, you know, no star player.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So everyone has to, you know, step up a level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and again, like they did a they did a great job in year one, they found ways to work within their limitations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like how I like to characterize year one, but that's the thing can we expand those limitations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, we played at, I believe the slowest pace in the league, frankly, because again, we just didn't have the ball handlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have enough like, you know, transition shooters or shock creators to be able to warrant thing at a, at a higher pace.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you bring back KT and maybe bring in one or two more playmakers, you know, can we get more closer to like league average or maybe better?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's well within reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like their kind of like pet plays always produced really quality looks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just maybe didn't have the right personnel to cash in on those looks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think KT definitely helps, you know, a long way in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think, like, yeah, I think she could definitely reintegrate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just I'm curious how that's going to look given that, you know, it's not the exact same supporting cast around her when she does suit up again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think like you and Kenzo said it or he was in one of the two most recent pods in the draft one or in the Kenzo one where it's like, you know, they have there's a year of tape on the Valkyries now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think about, you know, like NBA rookies where it's like that sophomore slump or even like baseball players when the pitcher has their first start and they pitch well on the second start, it's like, okay, they have tape on them now, so they know how to they know what he's going to do and so how the Valkyries going to

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, going to react to people who kind of know what they're going to do now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we'll see like how that plays out, if they're able to get like a start player.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think they can get a start player?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who do you think is like a star player?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I didn't really ask that because that's what kids are saying, like, he believes we're getting a star player, but like, okay, we're not getting like an Asia Wilson, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of, you know, so what is a star player to you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like who fits that ilk?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or I think I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think a Clea Copper is like, even like, I think she's, to me, I think she's like, even higher than like, you know, like a regular star player, but like, that's why I really want, I don't even know if she's totally like available.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't really gotten a sense on like that Phoenix team I'm even with like a list of Thomas on like, what's going on over there?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think like, like I mentioned earlier, like just bringing like a Clea Cup, not just bringing a Clea Copper, like she's that, she's really good, but you know, like her, I think Sautu's a star, but I was,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, who else was like a multi-time all-star that was that's kind of where Yeah, it's been up, but probably not the Asia's not the Ephesus not the elicis not the Brianna's not the Sabrina's, but like who's that next kind of

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[SPEAKER_02]: level of player.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's maybe we can get someone there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they can and will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just not sure what position it's going to be and I'm not sure which one is, you know, like I feel like they have a really great pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I keep going back to centers, but like again, I would say as he is a star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think it's debatable, because since she's, you know, a little bit younger, but she cure Austin has star potential.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's finding in that direction, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're attainable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they could really entice them to come to the bay, um, but yeah, like it's, it's just going to be interesting to see if they can do it at multiple positions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think they will get like one like star caliber player, at least one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's make a quick prediction here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, can Rato, he already put out his list of the top seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you do not have to spoil your eight here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can just talk through some players that I'm actually interested in who Brian thinks that will be available.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just, yeah, make a prediction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who do you think the Valkyries take on Monday with the eighth pick in the WMEA draft, Brian?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, I thought you were going to go, not go me first.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been kind of, it's been a hard, I feel like it's been a hard to draft to predict.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I feel like I've seen, you know, last week, I last week all the draft analysts said, no, this week they're all saying, Gianna, this next week they're all saying tonight, like I don't really, totally know who who's going to fall, like, I feel like I'm probably just going to say that I think they go to

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying this confidently, but I still think tonight is like pretty talented and not pretty talented.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she's really talented.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that if her ceiling hits, like we're talking about like a go-to score and I, you know, you're missing out on some of that Carla getting to the rim, like I've brought this game up multiple times, but it's only because I went there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Las Vegas aces at Las Vegas during the NBA Summer League, mean my brother, we went to the game versus the Valkyries,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I forget if it was Veronica or Kayla, I want to say it was Veronica, but Jackie Young was on one of them like glue and they could not we could not really generate any offense because no one could get to the bucket and so when Carla came in and you had Jackie Young just locking down Veronica, Carla was able to get to the basket pretty easy and I know tip haze does some of that, but we don't we wonder if tip haze is going to be back on the team if, you know, how healthy she's going to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm just like we need someone who can do that again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the someone needs to be on this team that can get to the rim.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you see Tenaya's quick first step, her twitchiness and her ability to just get to the rim.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just like the way she rises when she goes to the bucket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, it's like, wow, you're like insanely athletic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think that I would, I would, I would, I'm going to guess Tenaya.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will go, uh, Hakez.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will go with the UCLA guard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think, Conrado?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have any thoughts on who's going to be available and who you would pick?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I understand why a lot of fans think it's going to be one of the UCLA guards, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be either Gabriel Hawke's or John and Evekins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we just talked about the values needing to add more shooting, obviously, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: at least a top two shooter in this draft class, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Johnny, it's an easy foot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think many people would question that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, we all like is I don't want to like be little or down play her game, but I do think it's fair to call or like a Swiss army knife, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is that do it all kind of glue, like glue guy, um, but does it at a high level, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to make it seem like she's a jack of all trades, master of none kind of situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but these last couple of days,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess, yeah, also with the Carla news, but even before that, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like tonight laughs and might be the pick for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for a lot of the things that Brian just highlighted, obviously, you kind of want to try to replace the rim pressure that Carla had provided this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because obviously, you know, I'm a nerd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to look at the analytics between her, VB and TIPA is right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: an amazing guard trio in terms of pressuring the rim right turning drives into out there like points, you know, at the rim or getting to the free throw on the three of them combined.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Latson obviously would bring that element, but I think kind of like you know looking over her entire season and then looking at her work at Florida state.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like people are kind of down on Latson after the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you point to her, her averages and her just your totals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're down across the board, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like in playing with South Carolina, she kind of proved that she can play within structure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is that the structure lacks spacing, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it wasn't really until the tournament that Agat McCair started getting like, you know, significantly, like, you know, longer stretches of playing time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you saw, like, in the later rounds, right, when she shared the court with

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tessa Johnson and, um, and McEar, right, it's not just about trying to capitalize off their spacing, but again, that's when you start to see just how decisive she can be in attacking the gaps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really small conf, like, you know, small confines of space.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, because a lot of people say, like, oh, she's just, you know, like this transition score, right, like she could only be successful with like points off turnovers, but I think she kind of show that she has a lot more half court discipline and creation than she was given for credit for and I think with a team like the balconies who do find a lot of creative ways to kind of move the ball with a lot of like swing screens in the mid post.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She could fit that system, and we've seen that I don't think anyone necessarily looks at her as a defender, but she competes, and I think, you know, Nikasey, now in Nikasey really values that I absolutely could see when the UCLA guards, but I still think Latsin provides a higher level upside than the Bruins, so I'm with Brian, I think Latsin might be more appealing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all appreciated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as, you know, Gabe and Brian were saying, you can also find me at the center hub at the center hub, underscore BB.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do write, you know, like on occasion, a lot more of my content is like in, you know, video or audio form.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just easier for me to get my ideas out quicker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you could definitely find me there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so check out and then tune by the time people listen to this, it'll probably be out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of your mock draft for the full first round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, this was a blast in the last time we chatted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I can't wait for...

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[SPEAKER_01]: the draft because we'll have you on again and we'll, you know, we'll reach out to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We won't bother you too much, but we'll reach out at some point again and bring you on and talk fowl stuff because I think it's going to be a really fun season now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of some people are kind of like they won't have realistic expectations like is it going to be the same as last year they're going to be able to sneak up on teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there going to be more expectation?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be all of those things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm so excited to see what year two looks like because year one was so fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll bring you back on whenever you have some time and we'll chat about the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So thanks to Konrado, for Brian, I am WG.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you when we see you peace out.