Mike Evans Joins the 49ers! + The Trent Williams Contract Drama | We Want Winners

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, hey, Rod, we're back with the free agency edition of we want winners we waited until some of the smoke cleared 49ers made some moves so that we could talk about it and I guess I have to start with Mike Evans Mike Evans said

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[SPEAKER_00]: that he is the missing piece to this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought about it for a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, you know what, I am happy that Mike Evans looks at his situation this way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's the only missing piece, there might be a couple of other missing pieces that they need to fill whether it's through this draft or in free agency, but I like the signing and I will say, because I want to get your take on this, I want to get this out of the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I looked at this through the lens of fantasy football initially and I was like, Oh, man, this guy's always injured and then I looked at his numbers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He might be always questionable for Sunday, but this dude plays outside of last year was the only year that he missed more than a couple games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And consistency is why he's so valuable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're hoping that last year was kind of outside of the norm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he is 33, and that is a thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But give me your take on Mike Evans coming in to be the number one widersiever for the 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have routinely been the cloud and raining on people's parade because I looked at it statistically as well and what I saw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: wasn't a statistical blip I saw what has been a three the I've seen I saw the clip and what has been a three year decline yes yards have have declined each of the three years his games missed have increased each of the three years with last year being

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[SPEAKER_01]: a cliff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he missed what eight games and his season didn't get off to a great start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Before the collarbone, he missed three games due to the chronic hamstrings that have been a plague in his career since 2019.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the hamstrings are, that's a fixed thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's something

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[SPEAKER_01]: the interview report shows that for the past seven, eight years and my question as always and I looked I tried to find it and it's kind of hard to research but I was not in the past 10 years able to find somebody who was over 30 who's had that kind of decline in yardage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and increase in Miss Games have this huge comeback season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously the 49er fan, I'm rooting for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love that to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I am firmly a benign skeptic on this move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I would love for it to work out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I could, what I see is all the ways that it could go wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, what would what was Mike Evans's rookie year 2015?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so, oh, no, wait a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 2015.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So similarly, I was kind of wondering about, you know, some of that decline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to give you the starting quarterbacks for Mike Evans, which is why I may be more optimistic than you about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a mix of famous James and Ryan Fitzpatrick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 2020 to 2022, it's Brady, and 23 to 25, it's Baker Mayfield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that Brock Perti is twice the quarterback of Baker Mayfield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what I do think is that Brock Perti and his ability to put the football where it needs to be is going to be beneficial to Mike Evans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of the injury concerns is the same as you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like, you look at their entire roster and it just seems like they continually get older and older every single year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they cannot, and some of this may be capitalated, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you target a younger player who just hits free agency or target a younger player in a trade in the NFL,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The younger the player, the demand for whatever it is going to be is like tenfold compared to what some of these older players make.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I get that piece.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what I am going to bet on here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is that moving into a shanahan offense, having an accurate quarterback there with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be beneficial for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, is he going to be able to turn back the clock for all three of these years that he has signed?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Highly unlikely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what we're going to see is a mix of

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, he may have to miss a handful of games over the next two seasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, as we know, the Niners are betting big on these next two years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like the idea of bringing in somebody who's going to fight for the football, and who's going to score touchdowns.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now injuries are always going to be a concern.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the bet is, if you're the 49ers, well, here's what's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The most interesting thing to me, Mike Evans said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did my research, y'all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the team that was going to best fit what I bring to the table.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He turned down, well not that he turned down, but he chose the Niners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: over the bills.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if I looked at Buffalo last year, I was like, man, Josh Allen was able to take them almost all the way except he didn't have anybody to throw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It like Mike Evans like I thought, oh, maybe he sees this opportunity to just be Josh Allen's buddy for the next two years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they could go do something in the AFC because if you look at it

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[SPEAKER_00]: where are all the heavy hitters?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The heavy hitters to me are still all in the NFC and you have some very good teams in the AFC, but it's kind of less clear cut about who the best teams are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's like, it just seems like Buffalo's like, man, just put it together for one year and you guys should be able to skate in that Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Mike Evans himself sees the benefit of coming to San Francisco for his skillset, for his

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[SPEAKER_00]: the last few years of his career as a big-time NFL player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the one thing that surprised me, he didn't look at all of the injuries that this team has sustained over the over the years and go, hmm, there's something there that might not be great for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do all of those guys, why are all of those guys getting injured?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that he said his research,

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is something that an older player should be worried about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Evans, it didn't seem to be a big worry to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of things I will push back on is that in that offense that he's leaving from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, he's not going to ever see the kind of volume he saw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: there that he, he's not going to see that here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't, I would be shocked if Mike Evans this year or next sees anywhere near, I guess with one caveat, if George, which is that caveat affects more than just Mike Evans, if George misses half of the season,

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[SPEAKER_01]: which apparently is not what the 49ers or he is expecting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You think George is on the phone with Jason Tatum going like, hey, man, what did you do to get back on the court so fast?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to get back on the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the only way Mike Evans even sniffs 100 targets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what we're talking about when you make the combination of misgames, which you just have to bake into the equation and the reduced targets, I, there's no argument for me that he is going to be an asset in the red zone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I guess what I question is for a guy who, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Winning contested catches has been his call in card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, that's another place where the cliff is, or the decline in cliff is evident is both in his PFF drop grade and his contested

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[SPEAKER_01]: a big comeback.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'm rooting for that, but again, I am skeptical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm always skeptical when a player says he picked situation next over situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why, because that can be true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I also know the Buffalo trade for DJ more before

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so the decision he was making was not to be, to be going in to Buffalo as why I received one, which barring some sort of miracle, you know, or I guess we can, I don't know, we're talking free agency.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see anybody who they're going to sign in free agency, who would bump him off that, because off that spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, I don't see anybody in the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna come in and be a week one starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am much, down, much more down on the why receiver prospects in this draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And clearly 49er nation is, I believe, that the notion that you would take Cooper or concepts your own in 27 is just nuts to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see,

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[SPEAKER_01]: both of them could end up being solid enough for players, but I don't see them being weak one, different spacers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When there are other positions that have clear needs that do have, I believe, weak one, 10-year starters, available to them at both the second end of first round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I

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[SPEAKER_01]: The way I see overall, 10,000 foot view, I see the Mike Evans move as a kick down the kick, the can down the road situation in terms of rebuilding this wide receiver room because you weren't going to do it in free agency because your options were basically jobs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If that, if you were talking about a cornerstone piece,

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[SPEAKER_01]: your guy and Dallas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so dogs was it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know that I would have been, you know, jazzed about building a room around him anyway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the draft is the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's just not outside of tape, which again is not in our conversation at 26.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's just not anybody 27.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's

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[SPEAKER_01]: 27 is a whole different animal in terms of a receiver draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just believe I've been saying this since the season was over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I looked at the market, I see this being a moneyball situation for the 49ers and the wide receiver room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You try to cobble together enough skill sets to run the offense,

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[SPEAKER_01]: a year from now in terms of getting some young blood in here and really reshaping this room for the future.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the money, and again, what we haven't mentioned is only really like $16 million in gear money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you look at Mike Evans' body of work, even

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[SPEAKER_01]: for one year really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he can be a productive player and somebody that Kyle can scheme around to, and we just hope that those 13 games that a lot of them are at the end of the season where it or and we hope this is team this whole team

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good enough that the end of the season matters, yeah, because, you know, you can look at our statistics from last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there were a lot of good things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a great season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I believe that regression is a real thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's something that we need to be concerned about in terms of we would hope for regression in a positive way on injuries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then there were other production things that we

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of outkicked our coverage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Statistically we were a lot more productive than the numbers would have indicated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And those things kind of progressed to the mean season over season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So overall I don't hate it because they didn't pay him a whole bunch of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and you just hope that, you know, he's able to find the fountain of youth for one more last run to be able to stick it in the face of Tampa Bay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And because he has one good season, you know, one good season left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a Ronnie Lot Raider type season for us this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great right, I'm referencing Ronnie Lot's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: first, you know, kind of seasoned as a writer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was the rest of it that, um, you know, where the, the kind happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hoping for that for Mike Evans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he has one last ride in him and the Niners are able to um benefit from that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen it pose this way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I may just be looking in the wrong places, but guaranteed money for guaranteed money

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is your stance on the decision that they made there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if I has JJ signed it, I haven't seen anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know what people thought he might be asking and which was always going to be too rich for the 49ers blood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's probably looking for, he may not get that, but he's probably looking for closer to what Mike got than what he's had to sign for over the last couple years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would definitely I would feel awful if the number comes down to like 16 million for JJ and that if that's what you're given my Kevin's I would much rather have JJ at that number.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that my Kevin said that number because in looking at the numbers, you can get caught up in the box score with JJ, but his impact on the offense as a whole is so much is truly elite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: While his box score numbers aren't anything the right home about, I believe he came in at

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not even as a wide receiver one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're 35, there are 32 other technically wide receiver run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's not even that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then when you factor in his impact on the run game and the things you can't impact, that you can't measure that 49er fans know or true, the toughness, the energy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those things that you really can't quantify, but are real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in terms of Joanne Jennings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would but if if the number comes in at that kind of like the um the debacle there in in Baltimore, we'll talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll save that for for the end, but we'll definitely talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If the number comes in less than what, you know, he wants 20, 22, but if the number comes in closer to 16 or 17, I would have much rather had JJ at that number than, and then the fact that even if that number is longer term, he's 20, 28 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you go three years, I would be more than comfortable going three years at that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Spinning jazz money here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If that's a number for JJ, I don't understand why you couldn't structure a deal to make that happen with him with Mike Evans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's an interesting one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why I pitted those two against each other in this thought exercise is because one of the things that came out

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[SPEAKER_00]: of the season was that when it came to balls, I don't know the exact stat, but there were balls that

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[SPEAKER_00]: JJ could have caught that actually turned into tipped interceptions with I think the idea was that the ball hit his hands first and then popped in the air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now some of that is always going to be on the QB that is not always on the wide receiver, but there was that conversation that I heard kind of as as people were bringing up JJ coming back to the 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think some of that is a lot of what we've been talking about over these last couple of years is

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[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of know that he's not stretch in the field, so you kind of cheat on some of those routes that you know he's going to run, they don't have anybody to stretch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that happens to a lot of their, a lot of their wide receivers, they just kind of get cheated and people kind of expect the shorter stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So JJ's probably taking hits

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[SPEAKER_00]: with, you know, non-small cornerbacks at all times because the defense kind of knows when the ball's coming to him, it's not gonna be downfield that far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but that thing was talked about, and then the conversation was like, okay, is he from an athletic point of view?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is some of that slipping for him, which who knows, but I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we as 49er fans may overvalue JJ for the things that you just talked about, the aggression, the passion, and probably being the one player on the offense who pisses the other team off the most, um, people want to fight that dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and so I like him for that number three slot as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't really like him as as a number one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: a number one receiver and we've we've seen it we've seen optimal JJ is a Y receiver three in a good offense and the further up that depth chart he climbs the more most likely it's going to be the quality of the team is going to suffer if he's your Y receiver one you don't have one of the best Y receiver ones in the league

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[SPEAKER_01]: middleing team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His role is to be that wide receiver three on in a lead offense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably that's probably not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't be his role this year if he came back, but I'm not one who sees that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, you can argue that for what I am suggesting

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[SPEAKER_01]: three years at an AAV of $16 million, that that's an overpay for a wide receiver three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really don't have an argument.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The numbers back you up on that, yes, that is true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just think especially in this, in between time when we're trying to rebuild this room,

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[SPEAKER_01]: for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe that's just not possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, Mike Evans is what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that I know that I don't think it's weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm speaking out of turn to say, or that I'm being, it's a hot take to say that they're still work to be done in this room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: before week one and there's time to do it and there are a lot of ways to do it, you know, some people believe it's in the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not hopeful that but then you've also got

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[SPEAKER_01]: The second free agency, which is what I call after June 1, you're going to have a bunch of guys who are going to flood the market that will be available again in a money ball type situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm sure they're not done, but we're hoping that Mike Evans can be a temple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we'll hit on some of the other smaller moves that they made in a second, but were you surprised to see the 49ers immediately jump on back on the Drake Greenlaw train when he got released.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That there has been a that's why you were saying the half hour and I was like, we should have a lot of the same half hour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, a lot of things have been since we originally talked about jumping on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot more news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we can talk about one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Greenlaw thing is interesting to me, not only at its face, because of what Greenlaw means to us and Fred and whatnot, but the thing that I immediately went to is what does this, what is the message that they're sending about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: D-winners in particular because this is his contract year and that was that was where my mind went immediately as like first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I watched Drey because my my sister-in-law is a Denver fan so I watched every Denver game this year and had a rooting interest in both cuff and Drey and while Drey only played like eight games he looked really good

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[SPEAKER_01]: when he was out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So extrapolating that to us, obviously we would hope that he's able to play more than eight games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if he just matches,

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[SPEAKER_01]: his production with, you know, a year ago, you know, with more reps, he is going to be an asset and is clearly lineback or two here, which is going to be interesting for Winters who I have honestly, he has probably has not progressed the way the 49ers would have hoped,

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[SPEAKER_01]: showed signs of life and signs of production.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if we go to all of those young players, I saw Lombardi writes something about it being time for them to push it, put up or shut up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He probably has not progressed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is

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[SPEAKER_01]: rapidly as they would have liked and they probably would have hoped last year he would have taken a larger step forward with Fred being out and statistically he just didn't and now there were reasons he was hurt for a lot of the season and for one his those initial injuries he started off on fire especially in past coverage and you could definitely see numerically there was a dip

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[SPEAKER_01]: with pre-engineering and post-engineering for him in that aspect of his game particularly, and then overall, and then he kind of, as he potentially got healthier, is the narrative that I'm going with, he got better, but great green off, if he's healthy, and even we saw last year, not healthy,

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[SPEAKER_01]: is going to give is going to level up your level of production, especially in the run game, which we're going to talk, we'll talk more about when we talk about our defensive interior acquisition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just calling that man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We get low until I figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, it's what I've just got, I've got, I'm very comfortable with this first name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll just do that or double, though, is even better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But even when our defensive interior

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[SPEAKER_01]: play in the run game has been poor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fred and Dre specifically together have been a racers for that problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They always kept the run game at a very, very high level and I have no reason from what anything I've seen from Fred.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no doubt, you know, that if those conversations about him playing last year,

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[SPEAKER_01]: were even there was a monochrome of truth to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no doubt that he'll be ready in back to himself with six months off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have no expectation to see any kind of dip from him or and I think the drae will be drae.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever we get up front,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys have proven to be a racers in that case, which is going to be interesting to see how I would imagine that that means Wenders is going to be linebacker three which

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen in the past that the example that I came to is a disease, I'll try to try year as how you can be effective in that third line back of position and maybe in a free agent year that comp is truly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All pulling or it is is is is is is is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on point in that he's able to show enough in that role that he's able to go somewhere else and command a very least approve it deal as a starter somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think there's no question in my mind if he has all the talent in the world to be a starting linebacker in this league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we have to mention, which was a bit of a surprise, I think, to everybody, a Bryce Huff, decided to step away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, when someone is 27 years old, you kind of wonder, okay, is it, are the injuries just piling up and it needs a break?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or is this really, you know, we saw it with Patrick Willis, who was a young man as well, who stepped away at an early age and never came back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I kind of wonder, I was like, man, maybe this dude was just beat up to all to hell because he's at an age where, you know, you're not paying him to be a number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: he could be a very beneficial secondary defensive end and still play at a pretty decent level but he decided that it was time for him to walk away at least for now and go do something else with his career, which he mentioned starting up something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of Huff?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it was pretty clear that that $17 million number wasn't going to be close to what they would pay him this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I figured there was a place for him either here or in Tennessee kind of made

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's, it sounds like he's got something else brewing, but, and it's, you know, and good for him, you know, just like Patrick Willis, he had something else that he was able to passionate about, was able to move into, but my thought as, you know, strictly,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess as a mercenary type of thought is that there's very few things in this world that he's ever going to be able to do, where you can make $10 million in one year doing it, I mean God bless him if his venture goes to the moon and he gets acquired and maybe I'll look like an ass and saying that, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would imagine that if he had a contract for, that was scheduled to pay him 17, and obviously that probably wasn't that kind of happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's any way in the world with the demand at the position he plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't have commanded half of that, nine million.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just, you know, I don't know what his body situation is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what his health overall situation is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's made $40 million, so maybe he figures

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[SPEAKER_01]: But $10 million dollars, $9 million, $8 million.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of money to walk away from and include those to him for being mature enough that

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[SPEAKER_01]: He clearly made that decision based on more can just the money of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Niners will, I don't know what their plans were with him long term, but obviously as a piece of the past rush puzzle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, unfortunately for him,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once both so went down he had to be the number one and he's that that wasn't going to be great for him as as we saw by the number of sacks the team had which was like 20 or something so all right the next thing on my list is what the hell are we doing with a big trend I you know you talked about JJ and you know the the smear campaign that happens in

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[SPEAKER_01]: I call him faithful and anytime it comes time to pay somebody, then all of a sudden there's this this anti campaign that happens, but he's not this and he's not that and he's and they're driving to do that with Trent and if you want to make comparisons, I'm going to ask you a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trent versus Trent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can we can have that argument that at 38 he's not as good as he was at 36.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we can do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But any argument to make Trent Williams anything less than the top a top four tackle in the league last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is just ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can again, you can play that game about how his numbers are worse than they were two years ago, but if you just compare him to his peers, he's still in a league tackle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So absolutely, I don't see any choice, really realistic choice other than to pay him or that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trust me, that $39 million a trip will use a schedule to make somebody's willing to pay him that because he is still a difference maker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I can understand the 49ers has a 10th I guess to maybe it's just not as simple as paying him this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which is a, that's a legitimate concern.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How much are you willing to commit to him at 40 years old?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That, that's fair, but I just think that the way you are constructed right now is you are screwed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he's not your tackle week one, I don't see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not, if you say he's top four, I don't see you bringing any of those other three and to replace him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you are way worse off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This season and I'll make the case move forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've watched this team for damn near 40 years and I've never seen a tackle as good as him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when he leaves, I have no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: reason to believe in my next 40 that I'm going to see one as good as him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No disrespect to Bob's in clear because I didn't see him play, but he's the best tackle I've seen as a 49er.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what you're saying is we're just going to let the best tackle ever leave and we're going to replace him with what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably not going to be another one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would just say it's probably

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just don't, those don't just, you don't get in a position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This team is really Kyle, and their first year was probably the only time they drafted in a position that you're even in the conversation for a talent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody who is that talented, you just don't get Trent Williams at 27 in a draft, that's just not how it would work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't see them having a choice, but you know, I

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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe you have a different perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they have to figure out a way to sign.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's less about to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even really about what they think about his skill set.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because again, like you said, let's compare him to who the replacement would be and the

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[SPEAKER_00]: The difference is wide, very wide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just invested all of your money in QB1, and that is the most important position on the offensive line for your quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the problem that I have is that they constantly do this dance with the players, which gives them

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[SPEAKER_00]: a pretty bad reputation around the league with other players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen this happen where they mess around with Nick and Nick is just like, I'm just gonna go work out and eat chicken breasts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you guys do what you're gonna do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm not blinking my agents and not blinking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are playing games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just gonna, I don't even mind waiting until the season starts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys cannot play without me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is what they constantly do

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[SPEAKER_00]: and now they're doing it they I mean they've done it with Trent before and it's like okay we're going to go all the way to the end then we're going to sign this deal and then we're going to go through the same dance next year but so much of the Prague and Jed negotiation tactic is to kind of sell the name of the player and I just like maybe football is like

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[SPEAKER_00]: the person who has all of the chips is just the team because the NFL is so powerful and you know these these teams and these television rights are always just going up and up and up and maybe the players are really just you know they're just dominoes they're just chess pieces but to the fans no matter how the NFL runs itself to the fans we identify with these guys

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the 49ers in their management, always seem to be the villains in these scenarios.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Trent Williams doesn't make my life any better outside of on Sundays and Mondays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a surefire, first ballot, well maybe not, and the way the NFL Hall of Fame works is different, but he's a surefire Hall of Fameer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're telling me that, hey, we are the 49ers, we never tank.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're always trying to win the Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We put the pieces on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then at the same time, you're going to play games with maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the best player on your team, if he's not the best, he's in the top three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a miscommunity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just different from what you're trying to tell me, otherwise, and that makes me as a fan think, okay, the guys are working the cap and making these deals or jokesters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, why do we have to play this game every single year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then knowing that you get to the end, you're gonna sign the guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if you don't sign the guy,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then that just means that the guy called your bluff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what it means to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is more so my issue with this dance that they do constantly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are going to be times where they do this with players who are lesser than Trent Williams, like they did with Debo, they had an idea that Debo was going to be at the value that they saw him at for maybe one year or two years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was he was like for one year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the second year fell off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's continued to to go down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that was a good bet for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that was the right bet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this dude is playing the most important position on your offensive line at a very high level plays hurt all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if you if you've backed yourself into this corner as the 49ers and you don't take care of him, then I think you you've you've bluffed and he's just playing a better

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[SPEAKER_01]: You said a lot there, and I'm going to, there's, there's a lot that I feel about it, but the overarching thing was that I think, honestly, we see it a lot differently, because the way from what I see and I understand that the internet is a, you're trying to grasp what's real and what's not on the internet is on who's a bot and who's real is challenging.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what I see over and over in this fan base, the internet fan base, and I make a distinction because the fans that I meet out in the wild are completely different than the ones that I meet online.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to a man online, I see them at every turn backing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jaden Parag and these things, which never one just doesn't make any sense structurally because I've never turned on the TV ever to watch Jaden Parag do anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These guys are the ones who I connect with and who I root for, kind of like you just said, it doesn't really affect my life outside of Sundays, but on Sunday, I tune in to see

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you tell me it's time to pay these guys, I think they should get especially understanding the structure of the league that they're, the trip Williams is a unicorn in the fact that, you know, this is here, whatever for him, most careers aren't that long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, he has made $22 million, the fact that some fans think that that's why he should give teams discounts with is just wholly a ridiculous concept.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my, all while the salary cap is just going up like crazy every year, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you don't, if you're Trent and you go, hey, the salary cap just want to, I don't even know what it went up 25 million, 30 million, whatever it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, okay, then you can sort of fit what I'm trying to do here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just got a bump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, the big bump is the fact that this team is worth like 12X whether it was when Chad took over and the players don't, they don't profit at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I guess you could make theoretically the cap goes up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So their salaries go up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is, you know, they benefit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they don't benefit from the valuation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the way the owners do, the cash out really happens when you take, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that, that, um, what does Jed just do with the equity share.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's able to cash in 10% so yeah, that's the most important piece.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which kind of reset the how much the team is worth because then you have to do the, you have to do the valuation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was able to cash out $800 million and two transactions, which, you know, is what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The players don't ever get any of that money that the increase that the league has, um, as the league grows, there is no mechanism that allows for the alumni and the players to, they're not equity partners in the growth of the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the salary is where they get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I'm an advocate of getting everything you can get when you can get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because your window is small, you are contributing to the growth of this game when your players like Trent and Fred.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and you know, the great players in the league and also the middle class players also contribute to the growth of the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they should get as much as they can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see them as disposable pieces.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see them as valuable pieces to the whole ecosystem of the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they should be paid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're a player, you hear fans talk about all the

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[SPEAKER_01]: horse puffy you go back my uncle's and when i started watching football he handed me north Dallas 40 and i read the book and i saw the movie and the quote is as president today as it was then when i call it a game

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[SPEAKER_01]: You call it a business when you call it when I call it a business you call it a game that is the the pushing pool game that is played with players all the time You're asking for $39 million and there was a time when you played for the love of the game and you should be willing to pay for play for less than that Why why would you do that it doesn't make any sense at all to me the notion just

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[SPEAKER_01]: the proxy battle that's happening with fans, how they are able to make it in their mind that they are on the side of the 1% in these management labor situations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How on earth could you be taking jet side?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, dude, we need to shake your hand if you bet you going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That you just, it doesn't make any sense to me that fans aren't in lock step with the players getting as much as they can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless it's a proxy thing that's happening, that they have to accept whatever to flip the boss gives them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they think that these guys should be the same, which I think she'd be the, the example should be completely different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And much of you can, and then we could go into this whole discussion about unions in America, and where the labor movement is here for the common man, that's played deeper than this podcast, but you should be on the side of labor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am an entrepreneur, and I have employees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still see

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[SPEAKER_01]: where when labor asks people aren't pro labor or pro management.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it just boggles my mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I address, I'm sorry, this is football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What am I, I just, this is not a labor discussion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I made the money jobs on you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to, they're going to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason they're going to do it is because they have not created the plan B for when Trent really retires.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The so that's the first trading part about what you the all everything you said is that they play this game and I can't remember one time when they didn't end up caving so then what are we doing what do we do this dance for Where it's always this lowball offer that's where we start and then When it's all said and done

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[SPEAKER_01]: the player and his team basically get what they were asking for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So why do we have to go through this song and dance especially in a circumstance like this where you say that like you just said there's no they don't have a plan being.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're going to move off a trip Williams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then do what Anthony pleasant is that that's what that's what the plan is I just I don't see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see how you invest in Brock party and Christian McCaffrey enjoys kiddo and you you make all the moves that you're making.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just to say that, you know, what we've decided is that Anthony Pleasant is going to be our left tackle in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't hold water to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk about double-o here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the 49ers traded a third round pick for Dallas Cowboys, defensive linemen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Osa, I'm not even gonna try the last name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanna hear this thing like 100 times before I even try, because, you know, we still have enough to hear, I wanna hear him say it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, and I still, how long has Sam open on our team?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I still haven't gotten that one down yet.

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[UNKNOWN]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: he dals paid him for I think for for 80 and then now he became a depth piece because of other moves they made which made him expendable and 49ers swooped in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is your thought process here because I'm reading things about him and it seems like the consensus

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[SPEAKER_00]: glass half full outlook is well he's not going to sack the quarterback, but he's he's really good at with with pressures and he's younger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have some time to to build and we know that they invested in in the draft last year in the defensive line as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what is your take on this move to

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[SPEAKER_01]: You weren't going to get any player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You weren't going to get a player of his caliber at 92.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're able to get him, he's 26 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he still isn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't reached his prime yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that kicked 92 for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: if you were to get a player that has produced what if you knew you could get a player that produced that at that pick you would jump on it so I thought that the move was a great move to the way my mind works is I immediately went to it's kind of a referendum on

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[SPEAKER_01]: West and Collins, West more so than Collins, that they clearly did not look at those two guys and say from what we saw in its extended action last year that we are comfortable with vote these guys being, you know, the, either one of these guys being a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Elliott is gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Davis is gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Givens is gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is not to say the Collins and West don't have a role here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They clearly still do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they aren't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: seen right now as starting level players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really excited with what he seen, pressure wise, what we saw from Williams, pressure wise when he was moved inside, because I and until he shows us that he is going to be a wide nine rusher last year, but he didn't show any of that, which we knew coming out of college he wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that develops maybe it doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But last

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[SPEAKER_01]: he showed that he has, you know, so in nickel packages, if you have him and also there together, that's going to be a formidable pressure unit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for a team that was worse than the league, also,

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[SPEAKER_01]: getting Williams back, because I think of him as an interior Russia, is going to be an immediate upgrade when you bring back both of back in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked earlier in the Bryce Health Conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They still need a situational pass, Russia, which

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of ways to skin that cat, but that is still a spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they did well getting him and they definitely improved the worse unit in the league with that move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By initial third question was what does that mean in terms of Collins and West who just objectively

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw I said all last year and I saw flash is towards the end of the year, but they were both guys who you could tell were physically

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[SPEAKER_01]: able to carry their, to hold their weight in the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were not overpowered at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they did a lot of overpowering, splitting double teams, defeating guards, but they didn't make plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the pushback that I got from on the internet was that defensive tackles in this system don't need to make plays, which is horse buck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because this is a money-kiffin-based system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Warren Sapp is the prototype.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, defensive tackles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here, as we have seen this defense run under Kyle Shanahan, we have, you know, outside of Eric Arsjad who gets a bum wrap and to force bugger, we have not seen defensive interior players that make plays play in a play out, but it's not like they're not allowed to, we just haven't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was disappointed these guys as physically talented as they were as they are clearly didn't make more plays and clearly management felt the same way and they're hoping that also is able to tell you I love the move and I hope that and I hate to sound sports talking but I'm going to go ahead and say sound sports talking I hope it lights a fire under

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[SPEAKER_01]: motivated to be better players because they are, you know, they took your personal life Michael Jordan, he brought this to me and I took your personal life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really do and that we are better all for it from a depth perspective because we, we are clearly overhauling that unit and that's one place that we have gotten younger or it appears we're going to get

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[SPEAKER_01]: based on the moves that they have made, which is, you know, never a bad thing for this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so let's dig into some of the smaller things that happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to, we don't have to go too long on these, but they re-signed Luke Gifford to your deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pro Bowl or special teams guy, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: also kind of depth piece.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If put a loop giver to see in the field with your starting unit, that means that you got some injuries going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but they brought him back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They also signed Nate Hobbs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: who play for Green Bay last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So your secondary, as far as your cornerbacks are concerned, is Lenore, we're not a Green Upton Stout, Hobbs, and Dr. Luder Jr., any thoughts on Hobbs?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has been, he was a slot most of his career up until last year where he played outside, which is what I see him and the norr.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he, for the system, secondary system that Morris runs, he is more of a natural CB1 and that he's a more physical player, he's more physically, he's stouter than the norr

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[SPEAKER_01]: is a perfect slot corner back to in this system and that he's more of a tactician he is not as physical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that a move to quarterback corner back to and slot in nickel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is the perfect use of Demo, he is more suited for that role than being the lead corner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Hobbes has shown that he can beat that corner back one on the strong side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I like to move and what is interesting is in base, it opens up, we're going to see

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[SPEAKER_01]: what they do, how they feel about green and looter and up and stout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they draft another corner?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they, it's probably too late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they do the one-year thing with a

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[SPEAKER_01]: an older corner or do they just let those three battle it out to see who in base is corner I mean in nickel who's the corner back to because in my mind in base you've got Hobbs and you've got the nor and then the nor just seems to me he has proven over and over again

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[SPEAKER_01]: in a nickel configuration.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is literally when he's allowed to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like last year, I thought he was miscast as a corner back one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the best slot corners in the league when you can play him there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I believe this edition allows you to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Hobbes is also the good slot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Stout has showed himself, I think,

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he when he makes it in this league, it's going to be primarily a deposition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they are more than covered at the slow position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's just how the configuration happens at in base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then who was the corner back to in slot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I like the move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that was a very, very solid acquisition and kind of peaks

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[SPEAKER_01]: it looked what I've seen on tape watching those more coordinated defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is basically the same system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does a lot of things in the secondary that I think will be interesting and different than we've done in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that there were the relationships that kind of like was sola last year and previously that

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[SPEAKER_01]: the tile trust them enough to kind of, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: give them a little bit of autonomy that, you know, he didn't give to somebody like Florence in her wills to kind of do because solid was in his bag last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did all kinds of things that I'd never seen on tape in San Francisco before last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was just kind of making it as a man, you know, I know that another two guys out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a master class.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think we'll see more of the same from more, because last year was one of the most aggressive deepness since he's he had ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: fortinated in terms of past rush and blitz because it was out of necessity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His secondary stunk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they needed to pull, you know, throw everything and and the kitchen sink, striving to get pressure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were able to be a pretty good unit, you know, creating pressure and ICS, having to do something similar based on what our personnel showed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've done some things to shore that up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I am, I'm looking forward to being more aggressive and that the defense, I think the past rush will be a lot more effective this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, that's not saying a whole, you would expect if Nick comes back healthy, that will be a big help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also helps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I healthy Williams helps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: one of the things you go back looking at the the Wilkes tape is that Fred blitzed a lot understood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was great at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, based on what I saw on tape from Atlanta last year from their off-ball linebackers, they're rookie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm led rookies off all linebackers in sacks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would expect their friend would see a healthy dose of cash rest responsibility because he has shown when you put that on his plate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can make plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I'm excited to see in this system, what about how stuff I can do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just needs to make more tackles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is able to make plays and get in position to make plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just challenged with him so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that it's a coin flip?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that if he's going to complete the play or not?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I love the Hobbes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went on a tangent, which I've done this entire, because I've been

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've been waiting to get back together, this is the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I love the Hobbes move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like, I see their vision in all of the moves, even if I don't agree with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like for example, the Evans one, I'm not as jazzed as others are or as you are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I see their vision and if it works,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see a bunch of random moves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see each of these moves answers a question that we have, which has not always been the case with our free agent signings in our draft picks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I have liked what I've seen so far this offseason, when Lynch has taken a lot of heat over the last several years, and I like what they've done so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's say I hit some of the quick other ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Vaderian low, they signed him, swing tackle to your deal.

01:02:45.538 --> 01:02:57.275
[SPEAKER_00]: Re-sign Jake Tanjus, who they are going to need, at least in the first half of the season, well, George Kittle gets better, signed a Brett Toth, center guard to a one year deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the folks who are leaving,

01:03:01.060 --> 01:03:03.904
[SPEAKER_00]: the team, Kendrick Born goes to Arizona.

01:03:03.964 --> 01:03:14.258
[SPEAKER_00]: I know some people have wondered since he and Mac Jones have such great chemistry if that is a possible landing place for Mac Jones who is still on the 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have not traded him yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jordan Elliott went to 10 percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sorry, he played with percent too though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they've got that, they've got that new in the connection as well.

01:03:24.651 --> 01:03:27.355
[SPEAKER_00]: Jordan Elliott went to Tennessee.

01:03:27.335 --> 01:03:29.641
[SPEAKER_00]: Skymore went to Green Bay.

01:03:30.263 --> 01:03:34.856
[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of those things where you're like, hey, we maybe have finally found a kick and pun return.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, we've got a got to hope Jacob Cowling is it's going to be healthy next year, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Robert Biel to Miami.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's still a bunch of guys who are on the team or who are available, but still tied to the 49ers from last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that came out, I think this was early, maybe late yesterday, is they did restructure Nick Bosa's cap,

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[SPEAKER_00]: hit for, uh, they cleared up about 17 million, which means that his 2027 cap numbers, like over 50 million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they, they always do and that stuff push in the money into the, into the next year to clear cap money for this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my last, I have two quick things for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One,

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[SPEAKER_00]: where's B.A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: going?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to be on our team, not that I, we need to cover him necessarily as a 49er.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Though I'm just super intrigued, like, you know, we've talked about this B.A.

01:04:38.908 --> 01:04:46.977
[SPEAKER_00]: thing from the second that, you know, he kind of went A wall and I'm just really interested what his strategy is as far as where he lands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he healthy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the other thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're on the chicken sheet front with our front office and that they're going to it sounds like they're going to hold him as long as they can, which I just just they are just the worst in my.

01:05:06.889 --> 01:05:09.493
[SPEAKER_01]: And everything Jumar was it about them years ago.

01:05:10.074 --> 01:05:10.935
[SPEAKER_01]: Still stands.

01:05:11.095 --> 01:05:12.677
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just let it go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just releasing their I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you can try to try to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm there clearly.

01:05:20.888 --> 01:05:39.402
[SPEAKER_00]: I just they're they're clearly taking it personally like this and this is one where If you want to take it personally, I completely understand he He kind of held them He had the higher ground in this whole thing down to

01:05:40.023 --> 01:05:47.455
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of forcing their hand in in in in Kyle being able to say, Hey, let's not trade him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to sign.

01:05:48.677 --> 01:05:54.587
[SPEAKER_00]: So they they probably feel like he just messed with them in in many occasions to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because the NFL always has the, you know, the, the, the higher ground in these negotiations, so they feel like fools.

01:06:05.433 --> 01:06:09.280
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, well, fine, because you make a lot of other players feel like fools in the scenario.

01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:18.197
[SPEAKER_00]: So like you said, let it go, but in the pettiness of it all and what we know about Jed and Prague, it's very predictable.

01:06:19.966 --> 01:06:22.849
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but like, you know, in like the wires, wasn't my favorite show.

01:06:23.110 --> 01:06:24.331
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, man, it's all in the game.

01:06:24.952 --> 01:06:33.923
[SPEAKER_01]: So what you're telling me is having the upper hand and serving yourself, interest is great when you're on the winning end.

01:06:34.243 --> 01:06:34.904
[SPEAKER_01]: You lost.

01:06:35.204 --> 01:06:37.086
[SPEAKER_01]: You lost in this B.A.

01:06:37.106 --> 01:06:42.733
[SPEAKER_01]: situation where I will use H or lunch at every single turn.

01:06:43.118 --> 01:06:47.852
[SPEAKER_01]: He managed to create a trade market while his client was under contract.

01:06:48.052 --> 01:06:53.348
[SPEAKER_01]: He was able to negotiate cash contract while his client was under contract then.

01:06:55.910 --> 01:07:11.660
[SPEAKER_01]: got his client, the guarantee money got hurt found another loophole, a situation where was able to manipulate you guys into making a rash decision with that guarantee money, which you will never be able to convince me that they were acting in their self-interest.

01:07:11.700 --> 01:07:15.808
[SPEAKER_01]: They were acting that was a petty move because they they

01:07:16.312 --> 01:07:39.163
[SPEAKER_01]: put their nose off despite their face because there were still plays to be made if they just let that guaranteed money sit that contract is much more tradable than it is as it sits now but no they wanted to send a message and so they took the money away and if that was actually a move that was not in their cell interest but

01:07:39.245 --> 01:07:41.748
[SPEAKER_01]: it was like a jab at him.

01:07:41.868 --> 01:07:43.089
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, they lost.

01:07:43.169 --> 01:07:46.472
[SPEAKER_01]: You lost this, and there's no win for you.

01:07:46.953 --> 01:07:48.174
[SPEAKER_01]: There's just no win in it.

01:07:48.274 --> 01:07:50.276
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to be able to win this.

01:07:50.556 --> 01:07:57.543
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not getting that, I like your fans want to say, you and I both know what to see because Jim brought no to CPA.

01:07:58.124 --> 01:07:59.665
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm pretty comfortable with it.

01:08:00.486 --> 01:08:02.048
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not getting any of that money back.

01:08:03.169 --> 01:08:03.750
[SPEAKER_01]: That's gone.

01:08:03.770 --> 01:08:09.235
[SPEAKER_01]: That's 40 million dollars is gone.

01:08:09.721 --> 01:08:21.636
[SPEAKER_01]: The Patriots couldn't get the guarantee money back from Aaron Hernandez, so if he could if they couldn't figure out a way to go to court and get the money from a double murderer, you're not him.

01:08:21.936 --> 01:08:23.518
[SPEAKER_01]: It'd be a didn't break any laws.

01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:31.628
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to say showing up and missing meetings, those are suspension and fine type.

01:08:31.608 --> 01:08:32.369
[SPEAKER_01]: situation.

01:08:32.409 --> 01:08:39.295
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody's ever got $27 million for somebody not coming to meet and that's crazy.

01:08:39.755 --> 01:08:40.756
[SPEAKER_01]: They could have appealed it.

01:08:40.896 --> 01:08:54.228
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't because the the end game of that is when you avoid that money, you're going to have to release him because you want to capture the cap relief.

01:08:55.189 --> 01:08:59.573
[SPEAKER_01]: So what you're telling me is I can forfeit $27 million on the front end.

01:08:59.907 --> 01:09:02.890
[SPEAKER_01]: in exchange for unrestrict your free agency.

01:09:03.591 --> 01:09:05.032
[SPEAKER_01]: Great, I'll do that.

01:09:05.493 --> 01:09:08.956
[SPEAKER_01]: So now to answer your question, where does he go from here?

01:09:08.996 --> 01:09:12.280
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't play last year, still hasn't passed a physical.

01:09:12.320 --> 01:09:28.176
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's most likely going to be on a one-year, prove it, type deal, everything, all the tea leaves say, Washington, they have looking for a two next to McLaren.

01:09:29.320 --> 01:09:31.845
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they've got the cast base for one year.

01:09:31.925 --> 01:09:38.979
[SPEAKER_01]: Him in, um, Daniel, you got that relationship that seems to make sense.

01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:50.502
[SPEAKER_01]: But I am not when you look around the league at the places that are still wide receiver needy, I'm not sure necessarily that he, that there aren't teams like the Raiders.

01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:57.690
[SPEAKER_01]: We were going to spend more than $10 or $12 million on a one-meter deal.

01:09:57.971 --> 01:10:00.896
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to sign anything like he signed with the 49ers.

01:10:01.437 --> 01:10:10.853
[SPEAKER_01]: So until you have that true, but I don't think it's out of the question that next year he could recoup that $27 million in guaranteed money.

01:10:11.035 --> 01:10:39.439
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's going to be interesting to see where he ends up if it is on a prove it deal if it is on something that's longer term and from being from his standpoint is is a shorter term deal better and that does he play on a one year deal kind of like our guy and Dallas that I missed his name I can't place his name several times now the guy who's on the

01:10:39.959 --> 01:10:40.740
[SPEAKER_01]: franchise deal.

01:10:40.820 --> 01:10:41.281
[SPEAKER_01]: Pickins.

01:10:42.643 --> 01:10:43.023
[SPEAKER_01]: Pickins.

01:10:43.103 --> 01:10:43.304
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:10:43.364 --> 01:10:43.684
[SPEAKER_01]: Pickins.

01:10:43.704 --> 01:10:44.025
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

01:10:44.606 --> 01:10:47.670
[SPEAKER_01]: That he doesn't roll the dice play on a one-year deal.

01:10:47.930 --> 01:11:08.700
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, see what was what in 2027, the team that he signed with, if they're going to franchise him or if he's able to break the bank on a second contract, I think it's going

01:11:09.389 --> 01:11:33.130
[SPEAKER_00]: the pettiness of, you know, teams are probably going to reach out to the Niners to say, you know, what, what, you know, you have an information on on this guy, you know, we can't, you know, what, what, what, what, what were his, you know, medical's like before X, Y, Z, however, the owners and folks talk, and I imagine the Niners are not going to give him a glowing review.

01:11:33.291 --> 01:11:38.215
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see how the shenanigans and the politics involved, too, which is why.

01:11:38.195 --> 01:11:55.377
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the way that IU and his agent handled everything, not only from what happened last year, but also in the negotiations and how they dealt, the other teams now, if you're going to invest a lot of money in him,

01:11:55.357 --> 01:12:02.946
[SPEAKER_00]: they know what the possibilities are as far as what happens when this guy doesn't get his his way, what could he do?

01:12:03.427 --> 01:12:24.773
[SPEAKER_00]: He showed you one way, so you also have to kind of wonder about that when it comes to investing lots of guaranteed money, you know, will he turn on us in the same way, you know, if he doesn't get his way, that was the cost or the risk of how they

01:12:25.647 --> 01:12:41.496
[SPEAKER_01]: As we have previously discussed, you know, this is a relationship business, and you know, you'll have to take number one is, and I think we're going to get to this in our last topic is that.

01:12:41.932 --> 01:12:47.038
[SPEAKER_01]: First and foremost, in the NFL, people are operating from self-interest.

01:12:47.499 --> 01:12:51.624
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to take that into consideration one.

01:12:51.744 --> 01:12:57.411
[SPEAKER_01]: And then two, what are jet and parrugs reputation around the league?

01:12:57.471 --> 01:13:06.842
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you call them, and you get their version of what happened, you have to look at it through the lens of how

01:13:07.177 --> 01:13:25.123
[SPEAKER_01]: historically they have operating and is was any of that because what I've said repeatedly all along in this thing is beware in any circumstance and most of us if we are real can use this example.

01:13:26.164 --> 01:13:27.987
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a dinner divorce?

01:13:28.490 --> 01:13:35.819
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody that tells me that it was 100% anybody's fall is lying because it's never 100% fall.

01:13:35.839 --> 01:13:43.850
[SPEAKER_01]: When there's a separation or a divorce, each party always has a part to play in it.

01:13:44.190 --> 01:13:52.040
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can take the 49ers version of events, but I would always look through the lens of who it is.

01:13:52.160 --> 01:13:58.328
[SPEAKER_01]: It's telling me the story and it can't I see that there was some petty chicken shit

01:13:58.747 --> 01:14:26.897
[SPEAKER_01]: in that interaction that Williams and I you might have reacted to 100% so again and then you hear their part of it what happened and you have then you have to decide what's in yourself interest is the human aspect that Parag and then talk about then you look at the tape you

01:14:27.552 --> 01:14:32.338
[SPEAKER_01]: Physically where he is at, you're looking to take to see how he would fit and help you.

01:14:34.161 --> 01:14:41.050
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you make a determination in yourself, ventures, what's in our best interest as an organization.

01:14:41.070 --> 01:14:45.276
[SPEAKER_01]: And that, you know, that is a pushing pool, the relationship matters.

01:14:45.636 --> 01:14:48.280
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't he go sideways on us?

01:14:48.360 --> 01:14:51.845
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, are we going to treat him in a way where that becomes an issue?

01:14:52.185 --> 01:14:53.487
[SPEAKER_01]: That's something that you control.

01:14:54.308 --> 01:14:55.129
[SPEAKER_01]: If you.

01:14:55.447 --> 01:15:11.262
[SPEAKER_01]: are able, or have confidence that you can build a relationship with this player, then that going left, that's what that fully within your control of whether or not we ever even get there.

01:15:11.963 --> 01:15:21.572
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they did and provide, that's my personal opinion for somebody who wasn't there, but what I've seen of them since they took up going all the way back to Harbo.

01:15:21.890 --> 01:15:33.520
[SPEAKER_01]: is that I 100% believe that they weren't 100% accommodating to BA and doing everything they could to make sure that the relationship weren't.

01:15:33.787 --> 01:15:38.214
[SPEAKER_00]: And they always have the high ground.

01:15:38.394 --> 01:15:42.821
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is the NFL, not the NFL as powerful as it is.

01:15:43.182 --> 01:15:46.087
[SPEAKER_00]: It isn't as powerful as it is because of the players.

01:15:46.567 --> 01:15:53.478
[SPEAKER_00]: It is as powerful as it is because of the ownership and the deals that they are able to make with these media companies.

01:15:53.759 --> 01:16:01.431
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you look at

01:16:01.951 --> 01:16:15.230
[SPEAKER_00]: seventh is popular as the NFL, those players in the player's association is way more powerful than the NFL players association because of the history of how they've stuck to their guns on certain things.

01:16:15.530 --> 01:16:24.563
[SPEAKER_00]: And in the NFL, it has gone way the other way where the ownership are so much more powerful than the players in those things.

01:16:24.583 --> 01:16:27.047
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you just look at

01:16:27.027 --> 01:16:32.336
[SPEAKER_00]: How guaranteed money works in the NFL compared to how it works in the NBA and in major league baseball.

01:16:32.416 --> 01:16:33.518
[SPEAKER_00]: There's your answer right there.

01:16:35.422 --> 01:16:51.550
[SPEAKER_01]: But I still believe that in every successful situation, you, you have seen it and you know, you go back to the rise of the 49ers, which you saw in that documentary is that.

01:16:52.222 --> 01:17:16.002
[SPEAKER_01]: There is, it is, this will always be a relationship business and if you talk about ownership to aging, player to coach, player to ownership, the most successful organizations have, they had

01:17:17.230 --> 01:17:22.696
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a not for long league and it's the next man up in all of that bullshit.

01:17:22.856 --> 01:17:45.482
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true But I know as a business owner and I know that just looking at the league while next man up is a reality Successful coaches never you don't make people feel like Everybody understands the reality, but you don't treat people like they're disposable and there's a way to do that and I think

01:17:45.867 --> 01:17:57.203
[SPEAKER_01]: for all the criticism, I think Kyle does a good job in that he seems like a type of person that is real with the players, but he seems to have a junior respect for them.

01:17:57.644 --> 01:18:12.465
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, your job, you know, if you don't do your job or you get hurt, the next guy is coming in, but you know, that's not something I didn't seem like the type of guy that's chicken shit in a way that

01:18:12.985 --> 01:18:32.216
[SPEAKER_01]: leverage is that which is one of the things I didn't like about Bill Walsh is that you you don't have to leverage you don't I would never I would never tell somebody in my business look yeah I cross-trained everybody and if you're if you aren't here tomorrow this shit is going to keep on running I don't treat people like that.

01:18:32.276 --> 01:18:37.645
[SPEAKER_01]: I would never verbalize that I need them to understand it.

01:18:37.665 --> 01:18:39.668
[SPEAKER_01]: I am as invested in them

01:18:39.648 --> 01:18:42.030
[SPEAKER_01]: is I want them to be invested in me.

01:18:42.090 --> 01:18:44.873
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a partnership and you treat people.

01:18:44.933 --> 01:18:51.560
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't, you don't treat them like the replaceable disposable cogs.

01:18:51.580 --> 01:18:53.182
[SPEAKER_01]: It ultimately, we all are.

01:18:53.602 --> 01:19:05.033
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I think there's a difference between the operational reality of that and the treatment of those humans in that circumstance.

01:19:05.334 --> 01:19:06.735
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to tell them, you know,

01:19:07.238 --> 01:19:12.246
[SPEAKER_01]: you be going tomorrow because that's that is literally the position of everybody.

01:19:12.426 --> 01:19:22.582
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, you say it jokingly, my dad used to say that shit all the time, you know, and look, not unless late I have another one, just like you.

01:19:23.022 --> 01:19:28.150
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, that is a whole reality, but

01:19:28.450 --> 01:19:30.833
[SPEAKER_01]: but you don't treat people in that manner.

01:19:30.913 --> 01:19:32.575
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all we are all replaceable.

01:19:32.815 --> 01:19:40.624
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, by die, when I was working a job, if I died, they would have a add-out to replace me the next day.

01:19:40.724 --> 01:19:49.714
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, there's a difference between that operational reality and the management of that relationship and within that reality.

01:19:49.954 --> 01:19:57.883
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think Jen and Parag do a very good job of the

01:19:58.572 --> 01:20:02.357
[SPEAKER_01]: Rainman excellent at the cap management.

01:20:02.998 --> 01:20:20.683
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's horrible at the relationship part of the business and that is just what I from what I have seen over time the way that they approach these negotiations has no tact or humanity in it at all.

01:20:21.264 --> 01:20:28.073
[SPEAKER_01]: Because these people aren't just numbers on a spreadsheet

01:20:28.829 --> 01:20:32.696
[SPEAKER_01]: organizationally to treat them like that, but you know, to each his own.

01:20:32.756 --> 01:20:39.688
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, obviously, they have, you know, that their franchises worth nine and a half billion dollars and mine ain't worth nine.

01:20:40.229 --> 01:20:43.054
[SPEAKER_01]: So what, what ain't worth nine million.

01:20:43.415 --> 01:20:45.218
[SPEAKER_01]: So what do I know?

01:20:45.434 --> 01:20:47.057
[SPEAKER_01]: But I know that part.

01:20:47.157 --> 01:20:52.207
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that the people that have worked for me probably like me more than they like them.

01:20:52.788 --> 01:20:56.314
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't take care of for what it's worth.

01:20:56.555 --> 01:21:01.063
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't see, you know, honestly, I'll take a thought about this in the,

01:21:01.718 --> 01:21:13.635
[SPEAKER_01]: in the aftermath of that rise of the 49ers, and I get winning, you know, Cures are all yours, but I don't see who's going to be sitting at a family side dinner with Gett 30 years for now.

01:21:13.855 --> 01:21:19.543
[SPEAKER_01]: The way induced was sitting with, you know, who's who was sitting with Eddie, not too long ago.

01:21:20.485 --> 01:21:25.532
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, is that important, maybe that's not important, the Gett, maybe Gett, don't give a damn about.

01:21:25.512 --> 01:21:44.112
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he's lasting my guess is Jed probably cares more so about how the other owners perceive him than how maybe the the players over the years perceive him like I just just hear enough just from

01:21:44.868 --> 01:21:47.812
[SPEAKER_00]: that whole corporate side of things as I see it.

01:21:47.992 --> 01:21:50.835
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so, and that's there.

01:21:50.855 --> 01:21:54.680
[SPEAKER_00]: So we are recording this on Saturday afternoon.

01:21:55.241 --> 01:22:00.727
[SPEAKER_00]: This will go up in the podcast feeds Sunday evening and on YouTube Monday morning.

01:22:00.767 --> 01:22:07.235
[SPEAKER_00]: So if we've missed, if anything happens between Sunday and Monday, we will have missed it.

01:22:07.636 --> 01:22:08.537
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't skip it.

01:22:08.597 --> 01:22:11.280
[SPEAKER_00]: We just hadn't happened yet.

01:22:11.260 --> 01:22:12.906
[SPEAKER_00]: But I want to end the show with this.

01:22:13.267 --> 01:22:15.636
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll spend, you know, two to five minutes on it.

01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:21.658
[SPEAKER_00]: But this whole Max Crosby situation was fascinating.

01:22:22.499 --> 01:22:27.367
[SPEAKER_00]: The Baltimore Ravens gave up two number ones to trade for this dude.

01:22:27.927 --> 01:22:34.257
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the big deal of the time period.

01:22:34.778 --> 01:22:38.925
[SPEAKER_00]: It was all over the new, like I'm listening to podcast that I'm a little behind on.

01:22:39.666 --> 01:22:46.937
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're going for minutes on end about this deal and from the Raven side, from the raider side,

01:22:46.917 --> 01:23:02.959
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we get word that the Ravens didn't like his physical and they pull out just so that they can sign Hendrix and from the Bengals formerly from the Bengals and so they kind of they're like Yeah, we get our number number number number one picks back.

01:23:02.979 --> 01:23:10.589
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this guy's probably not quite as good But maybe you know, we can use this excuses as the of this knee thing to kind of get out of that.

01:23:10.909 --> 01:23:14.494
[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think happened there like I don't even care about

01:23:14.474 --> 01:23:20.201
[SPEAKER_00]: the shadiness of how it happened, I'm interested in what you think actually happened.

01:23:22.524 --> 01:23:32.116
[SPEAKER_01]: I, unlike a lot of people, when I say a lot of people, I mean Bobani Joe's and Bill Simmons in particular.

01:23:32.136 --> 01:23:43.671
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that it is, I don't believe that the two track theory is, I believe

01:23:44.022 --> 01:23:54.657
[SPEAKER_01]: A plan to get them both in the day it been in talks with Hendrickson and obviously they had made the radar deal and that

01:23:55.953 --> 01:24:16.054
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that both those things can be true and then the interesting number ends up coming in lower than most people thought everybody thought it was going to be something like 4 3 for 120 or 4 for 160 something that was going to end up with you know the the

01:24:17.333 --> 01:24:27.988
[SPEAKER_01]: The what was the the the the deal and denial hunter deal where it ended up he signed an extension for like 40 million guaranteed or in those in that neighborhood.

01:24:28.709 --> 01:24:36.360
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so they just figured that that's what hindrance when we get well, but when the number comes down to closer to 110 112 for four years.

01:24:37.742 --> 01:24:38.243
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey.

01:24:39.745 --> 01:24:45.754
[SPEAKER_01]: We we that we're in the marker for that and then, you know, you I don't know.

01:24:47.033 --> 01:24:51.301
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand the skepticism in that you know that he had surgery.

01:24:51.761 --> 01:24:55.227
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that he only been off-cretches for a week.

01:24:55.909 --> 01:25:04.063
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you go in for a physical, I have no idea what the but Baltimore Medical staff is looking for.

01:25:04.965 --> 01:25:05.245
[SPEAKER_01]: And

01:25:05.849 --> 01:25:12.277
[SPEAKER_01]: his surgeon who is supposed to be over now says that he is on schedule to be ready for training camp or whatever.

01:25:12.337 --> 01:25:16.982
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what they saw that scared them off.

01:25:17.203 --> 01:25:35.805
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing that I find interesting in all of the Buffalo criticism is that how do you criticize Buffalo for making the decision

01:25:36.393 --> 01:26:02.805
[SPEAKER_01]: the market for Max Crosby is no longer to one because so if buffalo or it is I mean a Baltimore was wrong and that there's nothing wrong then somebody else should be willing to step right in and say I'll take that same deal sir but that doesn't seem like it's the case anymore it seems like

01:26:03.848 --> 01:26:30.531
[SPEAKER_00]: irrevocably irrevocably off the table for this player for whom everybody thought that that seems fair what you know but we could go But so that is your here's the thing though, and we just talked about Industry rule number 4,000 and 80 in the NFL about management being shady even if Crossbee's knee is completely fine

01:26:30.697 --> 01:26:35.787
[SPEAKER_00]: What Baltimore did is it artificially killed his market.

01:26:35.927 --> 01:26:37.690
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and remember what a market is.

01:26:38.031 --> 01:26:40.636
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not about what that player is worth.

01:26:41.197 --> 01:26:46.427
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about the value that the team wants to give him.

01:26:46.576 --> 01:26:54.786
[SPEAKER_00]: he could be worth two number ones, but just by Baltimore doing that, they said nope, he's not worth two number ones.

01:26:54.926 --> 01:27:04.698
[SPEAKER_00]: And so teams will look at that and go, well, even if we believe he's worth two number ones, his market just got reset by this other team saying nope, we're not doing it.

01:27:04.978 --> 01:27:08.162
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the intriguing thing about this whole thing.

01:27:08.210 --> 01:27:15.157
[SPEAKER_01]: So why would Philly now pay two ones based on what has happened this week?

01:27:15.557 --> 01:27:20.502
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, we're still interested, but not at two ones though.

01:27:20.622 --> 01:27:35.196
[SPEAKER_01]: We might do a third and a one or, you know, anything less than, but that is the, um, the point that Bomani made that was interesting was that what has him.

01:27:35.395 --> 01:27:45.711
[SPEAKER_01]: crying foul or smelling something is that it was immediately that the trade was all in that and not a renegotiation of turn.

01:27:45.791 --> 01:27:54.484
[SPEAKER_01]: Baltimore didn't see what they saw and say we're still interested, but let's make it a one in a three or a

01:27:54.734 --> 01:27:58.400
[SPEAKER_01]: a one and conditional whatever.

01:27:58.440 --> 01:28:00.923
[SPEAKER_01]: They were just like, no, we're good.

01:28:01.404 --> 01:28:18.009
[SPEAKER_01]: Got this guy here, and we're just going to move on, which is kind of interesting from the Baltimore perspective that there was no more, you know, that it lends the credence to the fact that they were just, they got cold feet, and they just wanted out.

01:28:18.190 --> 01:28:20.353
[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't really interested in,

01:28:21.076 --> 01:28:23.360
[SPEAKER_01]: a negotiation of terms.

01:28:23.601 --> 01:28:24.863
[SPEAKER_01]: They would just not worry.

01:28:24.943 --> 01:28:29.772
[SPEAKER_01]: We just want to keep our picks and you can have your player and then we're just going to move on from there.

01:28:29.893 --> 01:28:40.232
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's probably still going to get traded, but now the market has reset on him and now you've got to have these conversations again because I don't know who else was.

01:28:40.212 --> 01:28:48.127
[SPEAKER_00]: in the mix with with Baltimore, but let's say let's let let's say there were teams that were close to what Baltimore gave up.

01:28:48.608 --> 01:29:03.115
[SPEAKER_00]: Now those teams are backing down from that offer just because they can not necessarily because they think differently, but now they can because he's just he's just worth less all of a sudden for this reason.

01:29:04.310 --> 01:29:06.593
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I mean, like you say, it probably still happens.

01:29:06.633 --> 01:29:10.958
[SPEAKER_01]: There's still windows, you know, we are a month away from the draft.

01:29:10.978 --> 01:29:12.820
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's another window where it could happen.

01:29:13.240 --> 01:29:31.701
[SPEAKER_01]: And what I think is more interesting is once he goes through a training camp and plays some games, he might be on at the training deadline because kind of like

01:29:31.934 --> 01:29:35.039
[SPEAKER_01]: everybody wants to be in on the 27 draft.

01:29:35.079 --> 01:29:37.502
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one where everybody wants to pick.

01:29:37.763 --> 01:29:55.950
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's still possible that depending on how things go and how the rate of season goes, that if they still look like they're in ass franchise, you're looking at that 27-pick being a

01:29:56.352 --> 01:30:16.902
[SPEAKER_01]: along with something else or maybe a 28-pick that you revisit that trade after you've seen, okay, Crosby is back and he looks to be, you know, 85, 100% of what he was and you move forward.

01:30:16.962 --> 01:30:18.043
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it gets interesting.

01:30:18.424 --> 01:30:21.328
[SPEAKER_01]: Do the Raiders, you know, what happens with this year's draft?

01:30:21.388 --> 01:30:23.271
[SPEAKER_01]: What happens with

01:30:23.842 --> 01:30:47.149
[SPEAKER_01]: 100 odd million dollars they spent are they actually better this scene what does Clint Kubi I do are they actually you know perceivably better early in the season and maybe Max wants to stay all of a sudden things or the buildings different divides a different maybe I just ride this thing out or maybe we revisit

01:30:48.091 --> 01:30:51.594
[SPEAKER_01]: moving on after he's proven himself.

01:30:51.634 --> 01:31:00.462
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean, I have no doubt, you know, it's a manisk, I mean, this is, you know, we got Jason Tate, I'm coming back from the killer.

01:31:00.482 --> 01:31:00.942
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm months.

01:31:01.183 --> 01:31:12.873
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have no, I have no reason to believe that Max Rossby on a manisk is clean up is going to fall off a cliff like it's, you know, 1986 or something.

01:31:13.013 --> 01:31:16.056
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that if they want to trade him,

01:31:16.306 --> 01:31:35.648
[SPEAKER_01]: there will still be a market for him to be traded at a later date, but I'm also hoping for them, you know, I'm the opposite of a Raider fan, you know, my East Bay guy, but you know, I was a 49er fan, because I didn't like, I didn't like the way they went down, but I and one who believes to kind of like people talk about it in the NBA with the next.

01:31:36.134 --> 01:32:04.622
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the league is better when the Raiders are good and for 20 years you know I got Raider fans all in my family they just felt this it is felt like punching down talking about the Raiders for the past 20 years I mean I had a Raider stuff I mean that's like an obvious statement you know there's no fun in beaten you know talking about and talking shit to also rans it's not even a hammer in nail situation it they just stink so I would love for the Raiders to be

01:32:04.602 --> 01:32:15.825
[SPEAKER_01]: Relevant again just for the league and for to be able to, you know, raise my family members again because this just is a depressing site.

01:32:15.925 --> 01:32:17.890
[SPEAKER_01]: I want them to be good or better.

01:32:17.990 --> 01:32:20.535
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily ever want to know like when anything.

01:32:20.515 --> 01:32:23.298
[SPEAKER_01]: real, but it's kind of like the Cowboys.

01:32:23.879 --> 01:32:31.808
[SPEAKER_01]: The Cowboys had never sunk to a point where it's not fun to make fun of.

01:32:33.670 --> 01:32:41.739
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not bad enough to wear that feels inappropriate to tease them and their incompetence.

01:32:41.759 --> 01:32:44.042
[SPEAKER_00]: Ice cube will be excited if the Raiders are good again.

01:32:45.237 --> 01:32:51.926
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you actually come up and show up and perform for them again.

01:32:52.246 --> 01:32:52.687
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:32:52.727 --> 01:32:53.688
[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be it from here.

01:32:53.788 --> 01:32:57.533
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll check in periodically as things happen.

01:32:57.613 --> 01:33:04.281
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of like this idea of, you know, yeah, we kind of let things bubble and then we'll do something on the weekend and we'll put it out.

01:33:05.323 --> 01:33:13.253
[SPEAKER_00]: So that we can do that as, you know, as the draft comes along as bigger things happen as signings happen.

01:33:13.233 --> 01:33:26.362
[SPEAKER_00]: anything that comes out of 49er camp, uh, we can connect, but this, you know, so there's no reason for us to come back weekly necessarily because there's just not enough news coming out, but okay, stay away for the draft.

01:33:26.522 --> 01:33:29.689
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so excited.

01:33:30.935 --> 01:33:34.561
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a month so I am I am so excited.

01:33:34.621 --> 01:33:53.955
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are a lot of places where we can make real it real meaningful improvements to this team there and if they nail this draft, we can be and this is coming from a team in which twelve and five was one way or way I get all of that the narrative of that but.

01:33:54.357 --> 01:33:55.939
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also a realist.

01:33:55.959 --> 01:34:01.446
[SPEAKER_01]: There is right now a real gap between the Rams and the Seahawks and us.

01:34:01.886 --> 01:34:14.883
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that with a real good draft, along with the things we've already done at free agency, we can really close that gap and have this be a real three team race next year.

01:34:14.943 --> 01:34:15.684
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited.

01:34:15.844 --> 01:34:23.233
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really excited as a 49er fan for the draft and I'm happy with the moves that they've made.

01:34:24.209 --> 01:34:30.075
[SPEAKER_01]: So far, they didn't overspin, but they failed, they failed real good news.

01:34:30.436 --> 01:34:32.238
[SPEAKER_01]: They got off to a really good start.

01:34:32.698 --> 01:34:39.365
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we can really add some jet fuel to the fire with a solid draft.

01:34:39.385 --> 01:34:40.447
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking forward to it.

01:34:41.067 --> 01:34:41.488
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:34:41.688 --> 01:34:42.329
[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

01:34:42.369 --> 01:34:45.893
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back periodically throughout this off season.

01:34:45.913 --> 01:34:47.394
[SPEAKER_00]: So for Rod, I am WG.

01:34:47.414 --> 01:34:49.997
[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you when we see you piece out.